Herol Graham vs Joe Calzaghe prime for prime

Maybe one day we will actually hear your genuine opinions on fighters, aye.

 

I've already given my genuine opinion on this fight, and Graham in the past, which is more than we can say for you

I don't think your knowledge extends outside Hatton, and even there its a bit sketchy.

I'd also add I admire Graham greatly, I love his style, and I don't have huge objections to anybody that picks him. He can cause stylistic difficulties in this fight, I just don't think he can do it consistently for 12 rounds to outpoint Calzaghe. Nobody gets knocked out here.

 

Oh well, unlike Calzaghe (in your books), we all have our faults.

 

It's hard to be subjective when making a P4P list, so The Ring will do for me.

How can you criticise Hatton for fighting deadwood? Calzaghe is the king of deadwood.

As I said, Pavlik and Cotto will quickly jump Calzaghe. And it's a shame for guys like JMM, Vasquez, R Marquez, Hatton etc that they take on the biggest challenges in sport, it results in losses sometimes and they get downplayed a lot, because of this....

 

Objective would be the word

Calzaghe clearly hasn't been fighting that much deadwood, especially not recently, as he's #2 on your favourite resource. Quite rightly so, ratings should recognise RECENT performances and achievements, otherwise ****in De La Hoya would be on there

Anyway, I think we've highjacked Dunky's thread enough - back to Graham - Calzaghe for me.

 

I'm with you. If Calzaghe had got in the ring with a prime RJJ, he would not be viewed as half the fighter he is now by some. Thats sad!

People reward boxers for what they could have done, rather then what they did, far to much.

Quality of opponent makes a boxer look good. At times Calzaghe looked a chump against Hopkins and yet a world beater against Kessler. There is under six months difference between the fights. If Calzaghe fought manfredo tomorrow he'd once again look like the best boxer on the planet.

 

But he still won

 

Yes, he did, I agree.

 

Calzaghe would have too much for Graham. His workrate would be biggest factor and I think his jab and combination punching would be too much for Graham to handle. Also Graham wouldn't have the firepower to keep Calzaghe off him. Calzaghe by a convincing UD.

 

Lets disect this.

Hatton fought p4p#3 Tszyu :hey

Thats like Larry Holmes boasting about beating Ali.

Mayweather atsch
Hatton did not even run him close, Baz Carey gave Khan more problems than Hatton gave PBF.

Pacman :yep

Another money fight rather than a fight based on matching skill and ability. With Pacman being way more skilled than Hatton will ever be.

Anyway back to the thread, Graham would be on top for most the fight and then get KO'd.

 

Calzaghe is a natural light heavy and Graham is a natural light middle. They never would have been in the same weight division.

 

Amen.

Joe is a light heavy in the days of the original eight.

He's too big for a light hitting smaller man like Graham, though if Robin Reid could give him a tough fight then you never know.

 

i would take joe here.in fairness to graham he was the best exponent of ingle's style of fighting which i personally can't stand,but graham mainly because he had great balance had it off to a fine art.i just think joe's workrate,extra strength and persistance would win the day in a messy fight of arkward southpaws.dunky's right, grahams chin could only be described as a bit dodgy later in his career i think he'd last the distance with calzaghe.for the most part in his prime his chin was sound,and although it didn't get hit very often,he took the best the likes of mcCallum and kalambay threw at him and lasted.

 

I don't think Joe has been facing much deadwood lately.

In terms of their respective accomplishments, I don't think there is much difference between them - the huggers and haters of each will dissect their records long after they have retired.

Though in terms of their abilities as fighters, Calzaghe wins hands down. Hatton has made himself as great as he could be, whilst Calzaghe hasn't - some of his 'title defences' were against guys no better than domestic level. There are a few guys on there that shouldn't have been in with Joe, whilst other guys didn't get the fight (Beyer, Johnson, et al) + Reid rematch.

But you could say the same about Hatton. Guys like Vivian Harris, Kelson Pinto and Lovemore N'Dou would look a damn sight better than Carlos Vilches, Michael Stewart, Ray Oliveira and Dennis Pedersen - that is without mentioning Junior Witter.