Herol Graham vs Kalule

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by lora, Dec 7, 2010.


  1. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's right, Bill. Kalule was a rugged, blue collar slugger. Just like Michael Moorer was a true technician and would beat the brutish, brawling Saad Muhammad because of it. Always on point.:good
     
  2. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No doubt Moorer was a better technician than Saad M... Saad had better whiskers, but Moorer's skills were superior... No **** there.....:thumbsup:deal:bbb

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  3. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A few questions, if you don't mind: A) Have you ever actually watched either of them fight? B) Do you even vaguely understand boxing technique? C) Are you high?
     
  4. kopejh

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    Kalule's style reminds me of Valdez
     
  5. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Timothy Bradley's style reminds me of Johnny Caldwell.
     
  6. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kalule looked the part but he wasn't much of a puncher. He may have pressed forward, imposed his physicality a bit but cannot really be categorized as a slugger/pressure fighter. He didn't have the power to seriously threaten most opponents, a fact he acknowledged, and was rather content to win on points. A well-balanced fighter without any truly outstanding qualities.
     
  7. boza81

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    Time for a new, more interesting thread: Saad Muhammad v. 175 version of Michael Moorer.
     
  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    He's basically a classic aggressive counterpunching boxer-puncher imo capable coming forward, using angles or on the backfoot.Lack of natural punching flair and power is the key ingredient missing you really need in that style...can you imagine Louis, Arguello, Jofre, McCallum, Arbachakov etc with no power.You can only go so far with certain styles if you can't punch imo.
     
  9. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    More interesting if it hadn't been done about ten times already unfortunately ;).I resolutely stick with Saad.
     
  10. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    El Bujia,

    Go **** yourself blue you self righteous *****... I've seen some of your other posts before, you like to whine, attack and engage as if you are a master of the world... I give a rats ass about you and your opinions... So, **** OFF!!
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  11. MRBILL

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    Saad M. was rugged, tuff, hard punching and owned a great beard prior to 1981... BUT! He was not a truly gifted boxer with amazing skill and technique... He defended his WBC title several times by out-lasting his opponent...

    Michael Moorer was a fierce bomber at 175 who really didn't develop his skills fully until venturing upward to 200+ pounds... At 200+ pounds, Moorer's technique was very good, but, he had a shaky jaw...

    In a time machine at 175, a fight between Saad M. and Moorer would be a chiller and a thriller, but I favor Moorer by a **** hair.... As a 200 pounder, its no contest.... Moorer smokes Saad M. with ease above 175....

    MR.BILL:deal:deal:bbb:hat
     
  12. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The last time I saw Herol Graham fight was with Vinny Paz on the USA network back in the late 90s if memory serves me correct... I think Graham won a decision.?.? I gotta review my tape... I have it laying around...

    MR.BILL
     
  13. boza81

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    That's right. Graham made a pretty good comeback in the late '90's. His manager's big mistake was risking his European Title in '87 against Sumbu Kalambay. Kalue ties in here because Kalue had beaten Kalambay, then Graham beat Kalule for the Euopean Title. At that point, Graham was the #1 contender for one of the three World tiltels vacated by Sugar Ray Leonard. I can't remember which one. Instead of fighting a tomato can, or waiting for the shot at the vacant title, Graham risked the European title against Kalambay an lost a decision. Kalambay got the title fight instead of Graham and soundly outpointed Iran Barkely. I'm pretty sure Graham also could have easily outboxed Barkley, so he blew a great chance at a World Title. His manager probably figured he could beat Kalambay, but why risk it? The lesson - when you're the number 1 contender, don't fight anyone remotely threatening until you get the title fight.
     
  14. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like to think I'm a pretty laid back guy. In fact just today a girl said to me "You're so apathetic you drive me insane".:lol:
     
  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    :lol: