He's a cherry pickers, he's a cherry picker... is there anyone in the sport today who isn't??

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  1. John-tha-dunce

    John-tha-dunce Member Full Member

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    All I ever read on this forum is people slagging guys off for cherry picking, so just wondered if you thought there is anyone currently boxing who isn't??? Answers on a postage stamp
     
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  2. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm interested to the answer of this question as well.
     
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  3. John-tha-dunce

    John-tha-dunce Member Full Member

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    Same mate . Winds me up. I wonder why half the people here watch box8ng because all they ever do is slate it for some reason or another
     
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  4. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Quite a few guys don't cherry pick. Andy Lee for one. Wlad is another. Vasyl Lomochenko, few other guys out there.
     
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  5. BCS8

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    Anybody who fights my man Golovkin :chuck:
     
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  6. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Timothy Bradley, Jean Pascal, Denis Lebedev...
     
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  7. BCS8

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    This is actually a good question, on reflection.

    Typically guys are only accused of cherry picking when they achieve a certain level of notoriety. Before they become "the man" little attention is paid (in general) to who a fighter does or doesn't fight. Once a certain reputation or money-pulling potential is reached, then guys are examined under the microscope because they are perceived to want to protect their cash cow status.

    Too many easy fights and it's bumland for them.
     
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  8. kirk

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    The thing is, the answers you will get will almost entirely be fighters not in the position to cherry pick. Meaning, they are in the position that they need to take the tough fights over and over again. Hard to compare fighters trying to desperately build their name, or are desperate for the big paydays, with fighters having already established a nest egg and are working to protect their position.


    I would say the only A lister (I'm not saying A level in fighting, because its not about that) but A lister in terms of having a name you start wanting to protect, or get an ego about (genuinely believing people need to earn a shot at you) that fights everyone is.....

    Wlad.


    Really.... the guy fought Haye at a time that (believe it or not) everyone wanted him to. The guy fought a raging, undefeated Sam Peter at probably the worst possible time in his career for that matchup. The guy tried fighting Povetkin, one of his few obviously main challengers, for years, and finally did it. And now, being old... and obviously past it, yet still a big name... he is taking on Anthony Joshua, and traveling to Joshuas back yard to do it.

    To me, just off the top of the head so maybe I think of others later, he has shown himself to be impressively unique in the quest for fighting the people he should fight.

    That's not to say he doesn't pepper his record with gimmie fights, because he certainly does. But in between those gimmies he takes on exactly who he should be taking on, imo. And given his brand, given that he could sell well and make good money doing it less often than he does, I think its impressive.



    Also, since Hopkins has left middleweight, hes fought
    JC, Tarver, Cloud (was seen as a good fight at the time), Pavlik (was seen as a good fight at the time), Dawson (a stylistic nightmare for him), Pascal (the man that had beaten dawson),

    and, when it would have been completely convenient for him to swerve Kovalev... when he could have used the promoter excuse, could have killed all talks of the fight happening by using networks (hops was with SHO at the time), he persues the fight, and is one of the few times Ive seen a fighter (Canelo against Lara comes to mind as the other one, for different reasons) actually PERSUE a difficult fight that they would have been forgiven had they not persued.

    So while I'm sure others will have their reasons for not listing him, I'm going to put Hopkins up there as well.
     
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  9. BCS8

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    Sweet post.

    You ought to mod less and post more.
     
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  10. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Best I can come up with is Lomachenko dude has been taking on quality fight after quality fight already in his career he's beaten and fought more champs than some of the more hyped guys around and deserves all the credit he gets.

    I think cherry picker is an overused term in boxing history every top guy has had some lesser opponents, tuneups, or gimme fights. It's nothing wrong with that in context if a guy fights say 2 high quality opponents in a year it's nothing wrong with a lower scale match up in between hell if they fight 1 super high quality opponent in a year I don't think it's anything wrong with taking a gimme fight after.
    Now when your whole year consist of Salka,Wade level opponents or your career is nothing but those types of guys your a cherry picker and looking for an easy way out Can't respect that.

    Of course your position in the sport has a lot to do with it you got guys like Spence who's a young prospect with not much to offer but a tough fight right now you can't really call those guys a cherry picker, then you have guys like say Golovkin who could probably do more to get fights but will settle for a cab driver they can under pay you could reasonably say yeah your maybe not picking but settling. Then you have the guys like a Alvarez where if they can't fight a top quality fight or at least a champion with there position that's a cherry picker.

    Different levels have different rules based on what they can and can't do, it's not exactly fair but life isn't far.
     
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  11. FartWristedBum

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    Crolla. Frampton. Porter, although I know he is in the chaser group.
    The point is to find "non belt milkers" rather than non cherry-pickers. Wlad for sure.
     
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    Inoue and Tanaka
     
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  13. Absolutely!

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    Deontay Wilder.

    Wait, what was the question again?
     
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  14. kirk

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    Thanks BCS8...
     
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  15. A_Fine_Gent

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    Kell Brook, Manny, Amir Khan. The truth is, most boxers who get to the world class level do it because they can get away with it.
     
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