He's had tons of slander... What if his wraps were legit?

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Stacking is allowed in Texas and Nevada. Stacking is not allowed in California. Using a sweaty, bloody, previously used knuckle pad is illegal in all states. Knuckle pads have to be new and fresh everywhere. Pads also can't have plaster residue on them eveywhere.
    You just don't know the rule differences between states. You bring up Stacking and claim that Manny was able to get away with it when Robert Garcia complained. This is because Robert Garcia was used to California where stacking isn't allowed. Since it was in Texas, stacking was allowed so Pacquiao didn't have to re-wrap. Same thing happened with Abel Sanchez in the Canelo GGG rematch. Abel complained about stacking because he was used to California. But Canelo GGG 2 was in Nevada, where stacking is allowed, so Abel's appeal was denied. Also in Canelo's case in the GGG rematch, the inspector didn't even consider it stacking as he pointed out that it was only a single layer of gauze, unlike Pac vs Tony who I believe had multiple layers stacked.
    The IV situation was completely different than stacking which is legal in Nevada and Texas, but not in California, or using a stinky, sweaty, bloody, used knuckle pad which is illegal everywhere. This article below has the statement from USADA that claims that the IV was not prohibited by the NSAC. It sounds like the issue was that he applied for the TUE after he had received the IV, and it wasn't approved until after the match, but he did disclose it to USADA in advance. The timeframe of that does sound a little sketchy, with him applying for the TUE after receiving the IV, and it not being approved until after the match, but it's unclear if there was anything technically wrong with that.

    https://www.ringtv.com/398879-usada...ssue-statements-responding-to-hauser-article/

    Mr. Mayweather’s use of the IV was not prohibited under the NSAC rules at that time and would not be a violation of the NSAC rules today. Nonetheless, because Mr. Mayweather was voluntarily taking part in a USADA program, and therefore subject to the rules of the WADA Code, he took the additional step of applying for a TUE after the IV infusion was administered in order remain in compliance with the USADA program. Although Mr. Mayweather’s application was not approved until after his fight with Mr. Pacquiao and all tests results were reported, Mr. Mayweather did disclose the infusion to USADA in advance of the IV being administered to him. Furthermore, once the TUE was granted, the NSAC and Mr. Pacquiao were immediately notified even though the practice is not prohibited under NSAC rules.

    So what you're saying is inconsistent with what USADA claims, that the IV was not prohibited by the NSAC. I agree that the TUE being approved after the match, but according to USADA he did apply for it before the match and also notified USADA about it before the match.

    But whether or not Mayweather got away with using an IV, that doesn't change what Capetillo did which were clearly against the rules. You bringing Pac having stacked wraps vs Tony which are allowed in Texas, doesn't change the fact that Tony was caught with loaded wraps in California. California has much stricter hand wrapping rulse than Nevada or Texas, but what Capetillo put in Tony's wraps would be illegal anywhere. So your attempts to deflect and argue commisions change rules is total BS and shows a complete lack of situational awareness.

    I'll admit that Mayweather's use of IV and the timeline of when he applied for the TUE and when it was approved is a little sketchy, but that's not anywhere near as clear cut cheating than what Tony was caught with. Your claim that Pac got away with stacking in Texas is complete nonsense since stacking is allowed in Texas.
     
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  2. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    @C.J. it's ok
     
  3. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    He had no reason to be as it was a one sided beat down and I’m a Margarito fan.
     
  4. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    We all know shadow111 is looney tunes. I dont know how he imagines the things he does ? Those CSAC insps couldnt get their story straight with Nazim . One says Plaster blocks fell out, another said the pad was smeared with white stuff that looked like plaster. Yet all the testing lab found was a HARMLESS used pad which was soft. When they performed microscopic analysis on it trace elements of sodium & calcium were found which would have been consistant with human sweat.
    Talk about Fred Karno's army LOL Yet they STILL ruined a good mans name & career They should ALL be in jail
     
  5. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Beat me that clown STILL keeps claiming that pad was bloody ROFLMAO
    How does blood go through a glove Through the wrap & make that gauze pad bloody? He's unbelievable lol
    BTW shadow111 that "blood" was red dye from the gloves
     
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  6. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Some will never believe don't get to worked up bro it's bad for you
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    CJ I don't think we can be sure if it was blood or red dye from gloves, and I don't think it matters. What matters is that Capetillo put used training pads in Tony's hand warps. If you want to exonerate your friend Antonio, then you have to be willing to concede at least that, instead of trying to act like it was all made up. Tony's trainer clearly made a big mistake, start with admitting that, and then we can speculate over what Tony knew or how long this was going on for. Blaming the CSAC for enforcing a basic rule that you have to use fresh pads is way over the top. The CSAC had every right to suspend them and revoke their licenses.

    I agree about Floyd and the IV. It was sketchy, the fact that he was using an IV in the first place. The way I look at it, it was a consequence of his own blood testing demands and having his blood drawn that made him dehydrated and made both him and Pacqiuao ill before their fight. Pac already had problems with blood testing making him dizzy and weak before he fought Morales the first time. Both Floyd and Manny were in bad health before their fight due to the blood testing but the fight was too big for either fighter to pull out, so they went forward and put on a **** show. It was an embarrassment to boxing. The fact that Floyd needed an IV less than 24 hours before the fight shows that he was in a dire situation.

    And CJ, it was all a result of Floyd's own accusations of Pac being on PEDs that caused him to duck Pac for 6 years and demand Olympic-style blood testing that Pac was forced to agree to to make the fight, and ironically it made Floyd so dehydrated that he needed an IV. So I'm not here to defend Mayweather in that situation. On the contrary, I had a big problem with him accusing Pac of being on something for all those years and demanding Olympic-style testing. Even if Pac was on something, it was still cowardly the way Floyd ducked him. I was just a fan of boxing and wanted to see Mayweather fight Pacquiao in their PRIMES. We never got that because of Floyd and that's unfortunate.

    So we can put that situation to bed. But the Margarito situation is another story. Thus far you have not conceded anything and continue to perpetuate a story that the CSAC had some kind of agenda against Tony. They were simply enforcing a rule. Commissions are not as corrupt as you think CJ.