Hey everyone who was the better striker prime for prime ? crocop or Anderson ?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by boxingcar, Jul 20, 2008.


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  1. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In a different thread.
    I was claiming that a prime crocop was (prime for prime) way better than Anderson Silva. My reasons ? Because he was more powerful , faster (with his kicks). I even said tht he had more technic. And that he was more accurate (with his kicks). Sounds stupid on my part uh ?....anyway , that's my opinion.

    I admited that crocop was also a rather inconsistent fighter (his fight vs Gonzaga , Randleman & Mcdonald are perfect examples) I'd even add that he can be mentally weak at times.

    Having said all that , my point is that when this guy is (was) at the top of his game. He was the best striker in mma. And Anderson wasn't in his league (even though Anderson is pretty good too)

    and so , anyway...

    fightfan312 responded the following:
    here's the original post
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2143365&postcount=75

    Note: I even posted "You can't even compare. they're world's apart"
    Ok , so that's an exaggeration.

    And i even admited it , here
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2143535&postcount=81

    with that out of the way....Let's compare shall we ?
    Anderon silva vs leben (short finish , great striking)
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    Crocop vs Hug
    (note: there's a huge ****ing difference between hug & leben)
    So it's not a quick finish...but just observe the technic of these two
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    Anderson Silva vs Franklin
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    (great and dominant KO finish)

    Crocop vs Wanderlei
    part 1
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    part 2
    [yt]Mcy0wYaR614[/yt]

    Anderson silva vs Carlos Newton (great TKO finish)
    [yt]hSDVJ6RyrJM[/yt]

    Crocop vs Bernardo
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    Anderson silva vs Marquardt
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    Crocop vs Barnett (huge shot to the body , that was in the owgp)
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    I'm not gonna post His fight vs Igor because you've all seen it so many times already..

    There used to be a point when crocop was number in the top hw rankings.
    Don't linger on the past that's what i often say but it's still no reason to totally erase it from your memory.

    Yes , a very inconsistent fighter but one of the most dangerous striker in mma. Anderson is a better champion now. But prime for prime , Crocop was the better striker.

    If this sounds like a chidlish thread...It is... :lol:
     
    boxingcar, Jul 20, 2008
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  2. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You don't need to panic (just teasing you)..Anyone can check the original thread . And just to make a few things clear...Prime for prime (if we take his inconsistency out of the way) , a top crocop was way better.

    of course that's my opinion and just based on my observation.
    Ground / wrestling...Look what he did to Josh Barnett (Anderson never had to deal with a wrestler like Barnett cause there's no such thing in the LHW or in his own division.

    not to mention his sub defense was one of the very best in mma (post 2003 era , when he was still training with werdum) , just watch his fight vs fedor.

    I'm not saying that anderson sucks or anything. I think he's brilliant. Just that when crocop was at the top of his career , he was imo , obviously better. but it is easier to only remember the croatian as that guy who got brutally koed by gonzaga & randleman.

    ps: obviously anderson's BJJ is better than crocop's
     
    boxingcar, Jul 20, 2008
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  3. Koa

    Koa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pure striking, I don't think there can be much argument against Crocop. He was after all a world class kickboxer who was among the best in the world at his weight class for a time. He had probably the most lethal left leg lb for lb in the world for quite a while.

    Anderson Silva's striking shines because he is very well rounded with emphasis on striking. Where Crocop could really do nothing more than strike and a little gnp.
     
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  4. SkillsSoSmooth

    SkillsSoSmooth Active Member Full Member

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    Anderson is better, end of story, the flamboyant way of which he dispaches his opponants with his deadly accurate strikes make him one of the greatest ever at the art, the man rarely misses and when he puts the combos together there is no better sight in MMA today fullstop, spinning backhands, flying knees ect the man adds everything into his attacks, and that's what makes him so dangerous and why he's pound for pound number one right now.
     
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  5. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    do you think Anderson would beat a Prime Cro Crop on his best night?
     
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  6. TheH1tMan

    TheH1tMan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Any long time fan of mma will know that it is crocop. Anderson is good, but crocop is probably the only fighter that would have had a chance of beating Fedor if Fedor was 10% less. Crocop in his prime was great and he is ATG.

    For new fans and in particular fans that swallow the media hype from Dana White's machine.. Anderson will seem like the best. 'Skillssosmooth' is either a very recent fan or working for Dana White.

    But hey hopefully most people know what is real.
     
    TheH1tMan, Jul 20, 2008
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  7. Koa

    Koa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nah. Part of what makes Anderson so damned good is that he is well rounded. If he were just a striker, he wouldn't have the same record. He would have been destroyed by guys like Henderson, Lutter and Marquardt would have been the end of him. That he is so well rounded is what makes him so good. Crocop relied on simply stuffing takedowns and knocking peoples heads off, and he did a fantastic job at that for quite a while. Not saying Silva isn't a great striker, but Crocop was world class. Silva is freaking good, but a step below.
     
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  8. karatekid530

    karatekid530 Milwaukee's Best Full Member

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    crocop's prime was his kickboxing years. hard to compare.
     
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  9. SkillsSoSmooth

    SkillsSoSmooth Active Member Full Member

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    A prime crop-cop wasn't unbeatable, i think it's high time some of ya'll realise who Silva is, because you'd think i'm comparing Dan Henderson to these guys you lot are going on about (Crop-cop and Fedor), yes they were fantastic fighters back in the day but it's Silva's time now, people need to accept that and move on.
     
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  10. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    back in the day?
    Fedor still didnt lost..He is undefeated in + 30 fights..do you realise that..???He just beat a former champ of UFC in 36 seconds ...do you realise that???
     
    québecwarrior, Jul 20, 2008
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  11. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But Silva is NOW, Fedor is done, he's days are gona and in the past. Silva is the future! He's 33 and Fedor is 31! oh wait...

    Of course he doesn't.

    He doesn't realize that it would take any champion same amount of time to beat some amateur. Fedor destroyed him in time it takes to beat an amatuer without a KO punch.
     
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  12. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    :hey :lol:
     
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  13. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cro Cops kickboxing pedigree is pretty much unrivalled in MMA. Mrk hunt is another who comes to mind.

    A.S. is a great striker in his own right but yes, just not the same level.
     
    Polymath, Jul 20, 2008
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  14. Koa

    Koa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ?? This isn't about who and now. The thread title is who was better prime for prime.
     
    Koa, Jul 20, 2008
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  15. SkillsSoSmooth

    SkillsSoSmooth Active Member Full Member

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    Quit crying because someone disagrees with you, it's not a good look.
     
    SkillsSoSmooth, Jul 20, 2008
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