Hey just for the hell of it, let's start another Dempsey thread.

Why do people bash dempsey for not fighting people,when guys like lewis very recently never took on bowe?,its not the first and obviously with the example i gave the last time champs have never for various reasons met.

 

I think that if he fought Ali three times at his peak he would win one.

It is quite plausible that he could be the first to KO Ali!!!!

 

I'm pretty sure it was Bowe that wouldn't fight Lewis.

 

Heavyweight Champion same as alot of the ATG

This is no way to measure an ATG, lets say you have a loaded division, then the chance of losing before having many defenses increases, or lets say the division isn't loaded then you have two options: Bum of the Month or lots of inactivity.

Incomplete record of 66-6-11 6NC (Newspapers give 4-0-2 for the NCs) during an era were you didn't fight in the amateurs, your experiance was gained in the ring and you fought multiple times in a month and had often not eaten for days before due to insane levels of poverty.

Most consecutive first round KO's

Before title:
Willie Meechan- A guy with a style that would beat anyone in four round fights, didn't matter what style they had Dempsey never beat him due to only fighting four rounders with him.

Fireman Flynn- An old white hope. Fought the best of the best in the early parts of the century, fought Jack Johnson for the title, Dempsey threw the first fight with him for money, KO'd him in one round for their second encounter.

Old White Hopes- Decimated a small army of these guys in Carl Morris, Gunboat Smith (whom had beaten Jess Willard, Sam Langford and others), Fireman Flynn, Arthur Pelky and Dan "Porky" Flynn (alright I'll be the first to admit he sucked).

Battling Levinsky- An iron jawed monster, first KO'd by Demspsey and only KO'd four times in about 286 bouts.

Fred Fulton- 6'6 giant. Number one contender. Dempsey KO in :18 of first round.

A couple of other fighters that he fought during this period will be covered in his championship reign.

Title:
Jess Willard- The giant whom had beaten Jack Johnson. While I won't contend that he was an ATG I will say that he was a very good fighter. His style was to throw a bunch of jabs to keep the other guy back before throwing a monster uppercut that almost always put his man to sleep. It worked too well against Bull Young who died of his brain hemorraging (that's the coroners assement). Turns out it didn't work too well against Dempsey who KO'd him in the first round (he was counted out at about 2:53, but a timing error said the round was over at 2:50 so Willard got to fight until the fourth when he quit).

Billy Miske- Demspey had fought him twice earlier in his career and the fights had gone to a decision that Dempsey had won. Both of these fights give credit to Dempsey having beaten a great battler in Billy Miske who had never been knocked down. For the title fight Miske's kidneys were failing so this was a pity match given by Dempsey.

Bill Brennan- Earlier Dempsey had beaten him by hitting him so hard that as he fell his ankle broke, hell of a way to lose a fight. Bill was a tough SOB his only KO loses were to Demspey, Miske and Firpo all of whom hit harder than hell. The Brennan fight showed the world that not only could Dempsey hit hard enough to beat the most iron of jaws, but that he could absorb punishment for twelve straight rounds.

Georges Carpentier- LHW Champion got KO'd in the fourth, nuff said.

Jimmy Darcy- No explaination for him. Don't know what possed Dempsey to fight him.

Tommy Gibbons- One of the best pure boxers out there. He was fast and good at avoiding punches. Dempsey, after a two year lay-off was rusty and still managed to win twelve of fifteen rounds, out boxing the master boxer.

Luis Angel Firpo- See below for my analysis on Firpo and how he proves Dempsey's greatness. I'd like to note however that many point to Firpo as being a wild and awkward fighter that looked as if he had never been in a gym. That is one of the reasons Firpo won alot. No one could figure out his style because it was wild and awkward.

Gene Tunney- The most ingenious fighter to have ever stepped into the ring. No one could keep up with this absolute god of boxing, he was fast, hard hitting, iron jawed, techniquly sound and had solid defensive skills. That didn't stop an aging Demsey in the second fight from knocking down Tunney and being potenially robbed of a victory due to a long count.

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Thats why Dempsey is a true ATG.

 

There's a pretty big contradiction in there.

 

At last report they were still scouring the dumps of America for Bowe's missing title belt

 

Got any proof about the thrown fight, or is it speculation? How much money?

 

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/dempsey_dive.html

i think it was 500$

 

they won't let me post the link, but if you go to cox's corner and go to the archieve you will find an article Did Demspey Take a Dive?

Its mostly speculation but they do have evidence to support it.

 

OK, so at the end of the day it's still mostly speculation.

 

How is the Dracy fight a defense?

It was not a defense but an exhibition fight mr magoo. Again you make some valid points, however this is unfair to say that Dempsey gave a title shot to Dracy- he did not. Now he is criticised for fighting exhibitons?