HHHMMM. Was Daniel Dubois a function of Deontay Wilder?

He would have been just as hyped even had Wilder never existed. I take it you've never heard of Frank Bruno? Michael Grant?

 

Both were pretty good (Bruno better) but they got hyped up well beyond their merits (at least domestically, Grant by Americans and Bruno, Brits) mostly because they were muscle-bound Marvel comics looking mf'ers.

 

Oh yeah, totally. I called Joyce trouncing him, and thought it was hilarious when people cited how slow JJ is as part of their rationale why. Like, yeah his speed is maybe a 1/10 but DD's is only 1.5/10 himself...and he is less than half as skilled.

 

Every prospect since the days of yore gets sold as having power. Dubois was among the worst cases at HW.

I thought he was going to beat Joyce because I figured they wouldn't make the fight otherwise, but you can watch a lot of his prior fights and see overmatched opponents take his biggest shot and stick around and I did point that out.

I assumed Dubois would mature into a boxer-puncher style over time, the term is badly overused but he got exposed and ought to reconsider he career choices.

If Wilder was like Dubois he wouldn't have made it through all those fights without one of those iffy opponents catching him, or at least more of them surviving. He's not the second coming of Ali, he was overestimated and hyped, but his fast and aggressive style was fun to watch in a way that wasn't too common among HWs after the 90s. He brought some variety and excitement, it gave him a lot of control over matchmaking.

 

I remember when people were hyping up that fatty Nathan Gorman. Dubois did look impressive beating up Frank's dart club members though.

 

Dubois has good power and thats about it.

Wilder is very unskilled but he still has very good handspeed, an "okay" jab at times and uses his reach to it's fullest potential.

 

I don't see the correlation. Wilder wasn't always hyped. Wilder prior to AJ emerging as a star was an after thought, nobody really rated him during Wlad's reign, even after Wlad lost to Fury nobody was hyping Wilder as the biggest puncher ever, as he was getting his face busted by Duhaupas, rocked by Molina, out boxed at times by Szpilka and Washington.

But then a cash cow in Joshua appeared and money and interest flooded back into the division and the team behind him went into overdrive to try and hype him up by setting him up against the over hyped Ortiz. Once he beat Ortiz then yeah the hype reached a major level and those boxing fans who didn't connect with AJ's clean cut image jumped on to Wilder hoping he'd beat AJ and kill the AJ hype back then.

Dubois in contrast has been hyped from the start. Only real similarity is the hype again stemmed from AJ. Story was Dubois dropped AJ in sparring that combined with his KO power and physique and the hype began.

 

Frank Warren needed an answer to how surprisingly popular AJ was to the British public. Daniel Dubois was the marketing choice.

 

1. The Wilder comparison is nonsence. Wilder never took on a JJ calibre fighter coming up.

Maybe we watched different fights but for a 14 fight novice in his first big step up, against a solid opponent in Joyce, Dubois did some good boxing and relegated Joyce down to using just a jab.

It was Joyce experience that won him the fight. the outcome was never a gimme for Dubois to win. Credit to Dubois for stepping up and as it turned out a step up too soon. Sure let's put Dubois down for taking on a challenge a lot of HWs don't take at that stage of their careers.

2. A manufactured actor would get destroyed by Joyce inside a round, that didn't happen to Dubois. More nonsense.

 

This.

While DDDs lack of movement was exposed against Joyce he did win rounds and did catch Joyce with a couple of punches that would knock most HWs down/out (Joyce imho has the best chin in the division). He wasnt overwhelmed by any means. And Joyce is easily top 10 and approaching top 5. So he's got alot to work on but calling him a complete hypejob is a bit silly.

 

Me too

Even got the round right and won a few hundred pound off a small bet