high intensity training...how good is it for boxing or for general

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by highguard, Oct 6, 2012.


  1. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    "Workouts like this including going to failure are in no way decent at building neither strength or power."

    try explaining it to these 2 guys lol
     
  2. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its not Functional, its for Show not Go.
     
  3. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    :lol: What?

    So you're saying that sometimes boxers should put muscle on for the hell of it and that weightlifting (C+J, Snatch etc.) influences bodybuilding and vice versa? What planet do you inhabit?
    A boxer doesn't have to worry too much about pure strength, punching isn't a pushing motion but actually a throwing motion so it is high speed. Rate of force development is more important than maximal pushing strength that'll never be applied in the time frame it takes to throw a punch.
    That's why a boxer benefits most from power exercises. Adding weight (Muscle or fat) that isn't sports specific just means that the boxer has more inertia to overcome to apply his force.
    Your bodybuilding exercises you're talking about are good for no one other than a football or basketball player who needs to add some bulk to hold there ground better in a contest.
    Tell me again about all the bodybuilders you've seen performing snatches :lol:
     
  4. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    go to the gym and see if you can outlift these guys
     
  5. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I could say the same to you in reverse... Go tell your friends to go see Scrap and the guys he trains and we'll see how well your friend's footwork, balance, coordination, accuracy, power etc match up in terms of boxing.

    Either way what you said is completely redundant.
     
  6. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why would I want to do that, makes no sense to me.
     
  7. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    man you really dont understand much, do you,

    i was saying that sometimes a guy needs to put on muscle, for whatever reason,-one reason to get stronger.
    and bodybuilding has influenced the way weightlifters train,
    because weightlifters do isloating exercises when training,
    do you really think that all they do in training
    is jerk and snatch??

    2. boxing is not just about punching,
    if you boxed you would know this, there is a big physical element going on,
    in the clinch, a heavier guy leaning his weight on you,
    being able to take a punch aka
    having strong neck and traps
    and a strong core and abs.

    for these reasons certain isolating exercises are good for a boxer.

    also you said a boxer needs to do snatches and stuff like that,
    sure-
    but have you considered that he needs to strengthen his body
    before he can do such things, so he doesn't get injured.

    its easy talk about olympic lifts but its also easy to get injured doing them
    if your unexpierced- not very strong physically

    and i have news for you
    some boxer who is 6'1 and 140 pounds aint that strong
    and needs to condition his body before he do such explosive power movements.

    i know a pro boxer, who never lifted weights and
    started to do olympic lifting
    and ****ed his back for 6 mouths.

    also i like how avoided the statement about
    about much strength and conditioning coaches
    use bodybuilding stuff in their routine
     
  8. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    because you said they are no all show,
    meaning you think are weak.
    so see if they are weak or not.


    i have no love for bodybuilders, i think its kind of a werid
    sport, and no they are not fighters


    but i have noticed alot of guys that will
    say how they are all show etc
    behind their backs
    will never say anything to their faces
     
  9. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well what I was implying, was they Pose, its for Show. Muscle if not Functional is of little use for Athleticism. Theres a saying the Body works all or nothing in Balance. There Body is not built for Athletic performance, where all the Highways go through the Heart, if you undersrand.
     
  10. RRLN

    RRLN New Member Full Member

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    I think what scrap means is that,....Bodybuilders, train to get big for their competition which involves getting covered in fake tan and pulling faces on a stage.

    whereas a boxers routine would be completely different due the demands of the sport. same with football, hockey, basketball, tennis etc. all require different movements.
     
  11. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i agree with you 100 percent,
    just no need to imply that these guys are weak sissies because they are not.

    also i dont like the whole fake tan, stuff

    and ofcourse different sports have different routines
    but bodybuilding does have some useful things for other sports
    especially after an injury, when you build up a certain body part up again
     
  12. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i do understand,
    i am just staying that some of their training is useful for an athlete
    especially if you recovering from an injury and need to re-build your body back up so it wont get injured again

    and while ofcourse their body is not built for athletic performance,
    they are usually not weak thats for sure
     
  13. RRLN

    RRLN New Member Full Member

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    first off im new here so dont want any arguements, I joined the forum as a beginner on the look out for sound boxing advice from more experienced guys.

    2nd - i never once implied they were sissies

    thirdly - building a muscle back up,...id call that rehab. not someone undertaking 'bodybuilding' to get back to normal
     
  14. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Never said they were, its not functional, for Athletic Sport, in many aspects.
     
  15. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You don't seem to understand the difference between muscle and strength. They are not equivalent, strength is mostly a neural adaptation which is why specificity is so important. Bodybuilders are weak pound for pound, isolating muscles means that those muscles don't work too well in sequential movements, which is what an athlete needs.
    Yes bodybuilders will do heavy compound movements sometimes to hit the larger fibers but most of their work is high volume to hypertrophy their smaller fibers.
    Do you get it yet? A strength and conditioning coach might include bench press or some certain isolation exercises if the athlete has a certain weakness or injury. That's for a purpose, not for building muscles for the hell of it.
    You're obviously uneducated about these things, muscle can often make you weaker pound for pound. Athletes need strength training that is sports specific, not muscle building.