I keep insisting it beacuse the mountains of evidence I've provided show it's true, the only one that is making complete nonsense is you, who just simply assert things without a shred of evidence to back it up. You're making a false comparison as well, since basketball does not combine multiple styles like mma. Nice try though.
good pionts, but I would argue that this is more experience than it is moves. One can easily learn to predict and think a couple moves ahead by simply rolling a lot. Predicting moves isn't so much about executing high level moves than it is about just having a lot of experience rolling with people. In that fight, nog didn't use any crazy sweeps or transitions or high level moves, he just 'felt' his opponent and made the necessary adjustments, he didn't use any high level moves.
thats why I love nog, he is just so dangerous!! I almost felt bad for ol timmy, but then I remembered how boring he was. now I kind of wish he would come back to the ufc.:-(
What evidence? You've shown NOTHING that shows basic-level bjj is effective in MMA. What you've shown is basic moves work in MMA, just like basic moves work in the NBA. It's the athletes HIGH SKILL LEVEL that allows basic moves to work against elite competition. If you want to prove your point, then do some research and name 10 different fighters w/ either blue or white belts in BJJ that have gotten subs in the UFC, WEC, Strikeforce, or Dream. That's oversimplifying it, but if your theory is as true as you claim, then it shouldn't be hard to find that info.
Basic moves = basic level :rofl you don't need to be anything higher than a purple belt to succeed in mma, which I've shown plenty of evidence to back that up. I need to do is show how matt hughes completely destroy both gracies and matt hughs has NO BELT AT ALL :rofl all I need to do is point to frankie edgar and bj penn. Frankie is just a purple belt and bj is a brilliant black belt, and guess who won BOTH FIGHTS, ya you guessed right, the PURPLE BELT, and they went to the ground plenty of times in both their fights. all I need to do is point to brock lesner destroying frank mir in their 2nd fight
theologicaldisc ur an idiot brock is a 265 pnd world class wrestler mirr's bjj is overrated, matt hughes may not have a belt but he is a high level bjj player and frankie just has penns number! Basic moves doesn't = basic level bjj it just means the higher up the bjj ladder u are ur game gets tighter meaning its harder to escape so elite bjj players dont give anything away wen they roll so the 1st thing they go for they get and the 1st things u go for are high % moves like arm-bars, triangles, kimuras and rear naked chokes its the set up that makes it so good and to set things up perfectly u need high level bjj!
:rofl you just proved my point. You didn't even offer any type of arguments at all, you just offered deflections in the form of pure assertion without any type of evidence to back it up. Your post has no logic or argumetns, just complete bald assertion Does Frank Mir have a black belt in bjj, yes or no? the answer is yes. Does brock lesner even have a belt in bjj, yes or no? the answer is no. Who won the fight? Brock lesner. Does mat hughes have a bjj belt? no? do henzo and royce gracie have a bjj black belt? YES who won? MAT HUGHES BEAT THEM BOTH :rofl That right there is 2 examples of someone with NO BJJ BELT AT ALL beating HIGH LEVEL BJJ. :rofl all you have to counter that evidence are bald assertions, excuses, and ad hominems. basic level moves = basic level bjj. The guard position is a BASIC LEVEL POSITION hence you learn it when you FIRST START BJJ. The armbar is a BASIC LEVEL SUBMISSION, hence you learn it when you FIRST START BJJ. It doesn't matter how long you practice these basic moves they are still basic moves. To learn to set things up is EXPERIENCE but EXPERIENCE does not = a bjj move you moron :rofl if you roll enough times you'll learn through EXPERIENCE how to set things up.
Does Anderson Silva have a blackbelt in BJJ? Yes. Does Shogun have a blackbelt in BJJ? Yes. Does GSP have a blackbelt in BJJ? Yes. Do you see a pattern here?? This discussion reminds me of the DVD set I bought the other day, 1001 Submissions with Din Thomas. I remember thinking how excellent the techniques were but if I were a complete noob in BJJ I'd nver be able to pull any of them of because Din doesn't teach you how to set them up from every position, he simply shows you what is essentially the end of a very complicated route to submission. You have to look at BJJ as a street map, the submission is the destination but depending on where the point of origin is there are many, many routes, short cuts and road blocks to that destination. High level BJJ is being able to recognise the most effective path to that destination. In short, anyone can drill an armbar for a week and nail that technique, but it is useless unless you know how to get yourself into the position to use it, that's what high level BJJ is about.
Ok, then Wlad is a basic level boxer, all he does is throw jabs and straight rights, you learn that the first day.
why bother he wont accept anything you write, he has come to his conclusions already. but that is a good point beebs, if you look at wlad all you need in boxing is a jab a left hook and a occasional straight right hand. all other punches are pointless.:deal
There was no belting system for no-gi grappling back then. There is one (or maybe a few more, now, but I only know of one) today, which is Guerilla Jiu Jitsu developed by Dave Camirello, but in order to get belted in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you have to work with a gi. Personally, I think both systems are effective and it'd be great if they each had their own promoting system, but would be the best is if they were mixed and they were both taught as a student advances. (Reason there wasn't a system back then, as opposed to the 1 + n (n = the additional number of no-gi grappling systems besides Dave's) now, is that a system hadn't been as developed as it had been with a gi. Now with the advancement of MMA and no-gi grappling and the prestige of tournaments such as ADCC, no gi is getting very popular. I would still prefer they both be taught together and to develop skills in each realm...because I think it'd help tremendously both ways)
Purple Belt is beginning advanced. That's when you start teaching yourself. And one big aspect in BJJ is time alotted in the sport. Some instructors (the better ones) won't promote you to a higher belt level until you've put x amount of hours into it. Bare minimum, it takes 6-24 months to go from a white belt to a blue belt...and that's if you're dedicated. Very rare exceptions probably occur, but they're just that; very rare. And all I need to do is point to Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir 2 not being a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu match and your argument becomes void.
Not sure exactly what you mean by no-gi grappling systems, but Camirillo's was nowhere near the first. Most of the old Vale Tudo matches were BJJ vs Lute Livre (basically no-gi).
I mean something that is on par with the system of promotion within a traditional BJJ framework. Also, belting is a bit difficult in no-gi because...well, where you gonna put the belt? With a gi it serves a purpose; keeps your top tied (although mine has these little ties on the ends, but they never freakin' hold). With no-gi...you could wear it, sure...but it'd get in the way more often then not.
:rofl:rofl:rofl... so you're a clown? Got it...:good You can't even keep up w/ your bull****. Seriously, Hughes vs Gracies & Lesnar vs Mir proves what exactly? That BJJ is ineffective in MMA since the practitioners lost? Think before you post. And Edgar vs Penn proves what, considering that Penn submitted Joe Stevenson, a bjj black belt? That purple belt skills are better than black belt skills in MMA? Again, think before you post.
