Higher atg: jones or hoya

unlike a lot of people i rate oscar very highly h2h at 135/40. You're probably right about his WW legacy as well. I always think that he stopped improving after a point. the old bloodthirsty hoya was awesome IMO, when he got rich and famous so fast it was almost expected that he'd fade in technique and intangibles.... Oscar-Tszyu is a dream fight, agreed.

iron chinned and he fought more top guys than pretty much any fighter in the last 20. i'll die a fan.

 

From the Rafael Ruelas fight in '95 at 135 up to the Miguel Angel Gonzalez fight in '97 at 140 (the run being Ruelas - Hernandez - Leija - Tyson - Chavez - Gonzalez) he really was one of the very best fighters of the past 20 years or so.

 

You must be hitting the crackpipe again Mr. Bill. You dont rank a fighter how he loses once hes shot, his financial position, or what he accomplished as an amatuer.
Safe to say their accomplishments are somewhat comparable. I think Jones was the more talented fighter overall, but DLH holds his own.

 

To be fair, DLH also fought for a long time after he lost a step and moved up. His fall was less dramatic(finishing fights on his feet apart from Hopkins) but Hoya relied on his physical talents almost as much as Jones Jr. in his own way.

 

Some fighters completely fall off a cliff when their shot. Jones is one of them as was Terry Norris for example. Still you cant rank a guy higher for losing better once their shot.

 

We absolutely do that a lot though. Look at how Hopkins, Ali, Moore, Fitzsimmons, Louis, Pep, Greb, Langford, Robinson, Duran, get boosts from their accomplishments far past their best. I can see why you'd be against that though.

 

it will keep changing constantly no matter what. almost never a done deal as you watch and read more.