Higher ATG Ranking: Juan Manuel Marquez or Manny Pacquiao?

To be ranked #6 at WW? Cotto, Cintron, and Clottey. One loss to Sugar Shane Mosley doesn't automatically send you to the bottom of the barrell.

The point being that he was still regarded as a top 10 Welter by one of the most well known boxing publications.

 

If only they fought at welter, you know, the weight Margarito couldn't make anymore?

 

You are just helping Pac's case with that one.

Let it go, Pacman beat up a top welterweight. Its not the crown jewel in his resume, but its a good win.

 

In your deluded mind maybe.

Some of us had actually seen Margarito's last two fights and knew he was washed up.

 

I think Ring saw those fights too. One loss to an all time great doesn't knock a fighter from #1 to unranked, especially if you comeback with a solid win. Sorry. Regardless of your personal feelings, Margarito was still regarded as a ranked fighter and only one loss removed from a top ranking. You have no argument.

He was only "washed up" after Pacman destroyed his eye.

 

Yeah some people need the opinion of others to validate their own. I'm not one of them. I saw his fight with Mosley then watched his fight with Garcia. Pretty safe to say he was washed up then.

 

I saw those fights as well and I was not of the opinion Margarito was washed up.

Mosley is an intelligent fighter who had his number, and Garcia was a tune up opponent who got dominated in expected fashion.

It seems the term "Washed up" is getting more abused than Margaito was by Pacman. You are entitled to your rather unique personal opinion, but to most everyone else Margs was regarded as a top 10 fighter.

 

Then I don't know what you were watching. He hasn't looked good since Cotto and you've somehow convinced yourself that's because of Pacquiao, even though he had two fights in between where he looked like sh*t (one of them a career worst loss) not to mention a year-long suspension. Run with it.

 

Pacman is the better of the two.

 

Ok, this post doesn't even make sense. You are claiming that I have convinced myself that Pacman ruined Margs before the Mosley and Garcia fights..

Ok, I don't agree. :nut

Nevermnd you are shitting on Mosley's brillaint win. Strategy won that fight my friend, Margs had no answer for Sugar's Right Hand, and that has nothing to do with being washed up.

 

Either you're very stupid or are one hell of a d*ckrider

I've been following Margarito since he fought Danny Perez on Showtime. If you think he was the same fighter after the Mosley fight then you are one dumb f*ck. He took a hell of a beating against Cotto and then took an immense number of blows to the head and body against Mosley (not to mention all the other wars he had been in). I had no doubts he would not be the same after that fight and it showed when he fought Garcia. So forgive me if I'm not impressed because Pacquiao beat a mediocre junior middle but that's what Margarito was at that stage.

 

Why the name calling, have I personally offended you?

You heard it here first, folks. Margarito got washed out by Cotto prior to the Mosley fight.

 

Nah I didn't say "washed out." Seems you have a hard time with comprehension. I said he took a hell of a beating against Cotto. I guess you don't think so? Why am I not surprised?

 

No, you can't make up your mind on what your position is.

You've been saying he was washed up in his last two fights prior to Pacman. That includes the Mosley fight. So one is forced to draw the conclusion that you are saying Cotto washed him out.

And you shouldn't be surprised. There was certainly a hell of a beating dished out in that fight and it wasn't by Cotto. Cotto boxed well, he landed some good shots, but he didn't dish out no beating.

 

Both Margarito and Cotto took a beating in that fight - some of us are just sharp enough to notice these things. Kinda like how Meldrick Taylor was never the same after he fought Chavez but...Chavez was never the same either. Just not to the degree that Taylor fell to.

It's also clear to me that you don't understand the cumulative effects of all of those punishing bouts. So let me be clear for you :

Margarito had already engaged in countless wars and then had another against Cotto which I believe took a little out of him. In his next bout he took an asswhupping of the highest degree againt Mosley which I also believe took a lot out of him. He then served a year long suspension, came back and looked like sh*t against a D-class fighter in Garcia. Hence, I'm not impressed by a welterweight beating a mediocre junior middle and that's what Margarito was. Deal with it.