Higher ATG Ranking: Juan Manuel Marquez or Manny Pacquiao?

Well, I've seen this argument before. Basically the cumulative effects of a career in a combat sport only suddenly becomes relevant when it suits your agenda.

I stand by my position, Margarito can only be called "washed up" after his eye was damaged to the point it had to be surgically repaired, he nearly lost his boxing license, and the eye in question subsequently fail apart in his next fight.

 

Of course he took a horrible beating against Pacquiao - he was nowhere near the fighter he once was. Maybe you missed the Garcia fight where he looked like a shell of himself?

 

You tell me to deal with your opinion, but you seem to have a problem accepting mine and the Ring's.

Garcia was your typical comeback tune up, I don't think you can read much into it.

Margs was too slow and limited for Pacman, always was, you can drop any version of Margs you want in there and it would probably produce the same result. He would always get outclassed by Mosley too.

 

So if a fighter looks like sh*t, struggles and ultimately is forced to stick and move (Margarito)...there's no need to read too much into it? Sure

 

I wouldn't say he looked like **** or struggled. He scored an early knockdown and won every round fairly easily.

 

He scored a flash knockdown, attempted to go toe to toe and couldn't. Was getting backed up and tagged and ultimately had to pretend he was Paulie Malignaggi to secure a victory. Antonio Margarito...running. Yeah, he was the same fighter :huh

 

If Margarito destroyed Pacman in his next fight, it would be written off as nothing more than your typical lopsided tune up.

In retrospect, every little thing he did in that fight is a harbinger of doom. :good

Again, you tell me to respect your opinion but continue to insult me for mine. Interesting.

 

If...except if didn't happen. What DID happen is that he looked like sh*t against a D-class fighter....after looking like a pinata in his previous bout a year before.

 

This is just a bunch of the same hyperbole, its growing tiresome.

Again, Pacman scored a dominating win for a top 10 Welterweight. Its going to always be listed as a good win for Pac, so you are the one who is going to have to get used to it. Your humble personal opinion isn't going to change that. And your "looked like ****" "washed up" "not top 50" exaggerations and petty insults are not likely to sway many others as well. Deal.

 

The fight wasn't at welter so I don't know what you're talking about. Great he dominated an average junior middle. But the FACTS are....he hadn't beaten a decent opponent in years and was coming off a mediocre win and an epic asswhuppin. Oh, I'm dealing

 

I have nothing more to say to Likefather but just wanted to point out the hilarious logic that if Margs came in 3 lbs lighter he would magically transform form from an unranked average junior middle to the #6 welterweight...or would he be weight drained? :think

In reality the #6 Welterweight was allowed to weigh in over the limit for a fight against the #1 Welterweight. Again, I will state the timing of the Pac win doesn't have the same luster as Mosley's. But I feel both boxed the ears off the same controversial limited brawler. It's a good win but its never going to be considered the greatest for either fighter. Not because there was a perception Margs was washed up, he was simply never that great and his career achievements will always be tainted and questioned over the wraps.

 

Whether he was at 147, 150 or 54, he was still a washed up fighter. And his recent bouts proved that, while you're busy pointing wins he had years back. And if you think he was simply never that good then even worse for Manny. When I think of his best wins, fights like Margarito and Mosley don't come to mind because those were faded fighters who had no business being in the ring with him.

 

Marquez isn't even close to the achievements of the Pac Man.

take away Pac from Juan's resume, and all you're left with is a few good fighters and near shot old men.

and those near shot old men came very close to beating Marquez.

for me, Marquez is the most overrated fighter of the last 30 years. he isn't great in any way.

 

Dude he was inactive for almost two years after the Mosley loss. Removed from rankings after one year and I don't exactly remember but probably quicker after the plaster incident in that fight.

He returned with one tune up cupcake win over Roberto Garcia at 154 pounds.

He was NOT ranked anywhere, by anyone, at any weight, entering the Pacquiao fight. Period. Don't know if you followed boxing that well or was going to forums to get people's general opinions but you are very wrong.

Margarito's career record at 154 pounds entering the Pac fight was 1-1.