Higher P4P: Joe Frazier or Erik Morales

I agree with Pea.Frazier was just outright better.

I'm not too concerned with records when we're talking about two fighters with a good number of solid wins.It's only with the relatively unproven guys like Galaxy that i tend to emphasise them.

I see Frazier smashing him utterly after a competitive 2 or 3 rounds were they the same size.If you think Morales would beat him, i suggest you should rate him higher.

 

Of course i can see the arguments for Frazier being the better man. But to play devil's advocate when considering both the same size, well Morales had punch himself, he had a truly great chin, and he would meet the man mid-ring, not box. I can't be bothered with everyone jumping on me like fleas to a dirty dog, but well, there's some food for thought.

Erik Morales was one of the greatest warriors we've seen and....... he was skilled. Again, his Pacquiao win might just stand the test of time,

 

Good post mate. I think Mantequilla's observation of how they would do head to head p4p is a way of splitting two men who he regards as both having a good number of good wins, not his primary method of coming to his conclusion.

But like i said right away here, i see the argument for Morales, i haven't disagreed with you, this is a who was the greater man debate.

 

I think cases have been made for both,before reading this thread I had them pretty damn close and I still do,but Im leaning towards Morales,although I wouldnt argue if you put Fraizer ahead either.

 

The Duran Ali comparison is where we would differ then Addie.

If i thought the same as you there, you can be sure i would rate Ali higher.Both had great careers, so there isn't much need for me to nitpick through their records or try and find other reasons to seperate them.

It's only if i thought they were of inherently very similar value as fighters that i would do the more in depth comparisons of record, length of prime etc..

 

I'd go with frazier, i fell heavyweights can be punished a little to harshly when being judged on a p4p scale.

Now for Frazier win over ali in fight of the century, i'm not sure of the exact amount but i believe he was outweighed in the region of 10 to 15lbs, this against the best heavyweights and one of the best p4p fighters ever and he beat him, that is an amazing victory, far superior to anything morales has accomplised, there are very few wins in the history of boxing that come close in my opinion, a similar accompishment by duran over leonard is widely consider to be the best win ever

 

I don't think it is as good a win as duran but you totally missing the point i was making, Frazier beat a top 10 ATG fighter whilst outweighed by 10lb, name me pretty much any other fighter with an accomplishment like that, never mind morales. Because the win was at heavyweight people forget the weight discrepency between frazier and ali whereas at any other weight it would be shouted about all the time. Yes ali was a little rusty but he looked pretty good that night, frazier was just straight up better

Frazier also has some very good wins in heavyweights greatest era, ellis, mathis, bonevena and quarry. The ali win is the key though, far better than anything morales has IMO

 

I rank Joe higher, even though I am a huge fan of both fighters.

 

Holyfield over Bowe in terms of weight.

 

this is why i will never write an all time p4p list