Higher P4P: Michael Spinks or Carlos Zarate?

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Rodolpho Martinez
    Albert Davila
    Alphonso Zamora
    Paul Ferreri

    I'm not saying Zarate has an amazing quality of opposition, but because of a few weak links in his title reign it gets sold very, very short. I also think because he is a Bantamweight his opponents are not recognised by fans who aren't as into the sport as generally the larger weights are more recognisable. Not that I think this is the case with you.

    In my mind it has definitely. I have studied a bit more of Zarate and his era and I think his opponents are generally sold short.
     
  2. McGrain

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    John,

    I agree with GP that Zarate's resume is underated. He beat some really good boys. Batista is a good example of the type of complications that Zarate's resume tosses up. He looked absolutely world-class for his world-title shot, and was unbeaten up to that point. Zarate beats him and his career goes down the toilet. Another Chuck Davey? Maybe, but my best guess has always been that Zarate flat out broke him

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154380

    Then there's Rodolfo Martinez. Not a well known name, and not a hugely publicised fighter, but he beat ****ing Rafael Herrera to lift the title (having previously lost to him twice - no shame there though). There will be few fighters the men you have mentioned beat that match this scalp. In the fight before he met Zarate he out-pointed Borkhorsor, ostensibly smaller, but if ever anyone was equipped to step up...before that, he beat a prime Jimenez., I think Rodolfo has outstanding pedigree - yeah, i'd probably put him in the same category as the men you mention, John, in terms of how difficult he is to beat, Zarate destroyed him in maybe the most consummate title-winning performance since Louis took the title from Braddock.

    You yourself have him beating Pintor.

    I think his resume is overlooked a bit.
     
  3. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    There have been some *cough cough* on here that rubbished it in the past...but its a solid body of work. It probably gets a bad rap because there was this pretty significant gulf between the best and worst he took on..But I guess you could say that about Spinks' aswell.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    Guys

    I am STOKED you two are promoting Zarate's resume, he is my most highly regarded and respected bantam.

    Personally i still don't think his resume is better than Spinks as stated.

    Personally i think Zarate is a bit underdone full stop in here as a fighter. I like him over Olivares.

    You won't seem me knocking him, again, just saying i think Spinks resume at the very least matches him.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I agree with that John.
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I can live with it being equal. I'm probably overrating it because it gets underrated so often.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    He's a beast Mac. I remember him still being utterly revered in the 80's boxing mags whenever he came up. He was considered THEE bantamweight.
     
  8. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I feel Spinks does have the better resume overall...I guess you could argue it pretty close based on both their records at their best weight but Spinks' heavyweight foray has him comfortably distinguished from Carlos in terms of resume, without a doubt IMO.

    For the record though I too think Spinks has better names on his ledger at lightheavy than Carlos does at bantam.
     
  9. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Still not seeing the beast. I'll keep you updated.
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    Fair enough. Dude- keep on building him up. For many years in here i have put him forward as the best Bantam. Drew101 (great judge) is also a massive fan.
     
  11. WhataRock

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    Its the pendulum of overrating/underrating...can swing so far one way that it swings back to far the other way.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Come on Aussie!!!!

    :good
     
  13. WhataRock

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  14. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Actually John, the likeness is uncanny between you and your namesake :lol:
     
  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I do feel he gets sold so very short.

    Right now I have him my number 1 Bantamweight, with Olivares right behind him. But it changes almost daily with Jofre and Al Brown getting a showing also.

    I do remember you are a big fan of Zarate, and always placed him higher than i thought he should have been, before I became 'enlightened'.

    I do not think I'm overrating his resume that much, do you?