Highest Ranked Fighter, Lennox Beats From 1970 - 80?

Why?

Steroids were isolated way before that. Do you mean synthetic testosterone?

Testosterone's widescale production happened later. By the 60s Olympic teams were rife with PEDs.

Boxers avoided weight training because they thought it would harshly effect their agility and speed.
Even "traditional" minded boxers had no reason to turn down substances that made them faster and more powerful.

These trainer must have been born in the 50s. Every modern trainer believes in weight training

Lennox would probably be a bit smaller. I don't know just which PEDs he took in the 90s, but EPO wasn't available in the 70s. Carrying significant mass without something to help the stamina is probably not a good idea.

Lewis is easily as large as Foreman. He was a big guy, even in 1984.

Why doesn't Usyk turn into a 240 lbs guy? Turns out not everyone is fit to carry enough mass as a SHW, even with the PEDs.

Guys the size of Ali are cruisers.

What about the Klitschko brothers? Do you think they are bigger than Ali and Lyle or are you not sure about them?

What about Joshua, Dychko and Hrgovic?

Look at Lennox and Wladimir at 19 then compare that to somebody like Usyk or Ali. The difference is pretty obvious.

 

Frazier is too small. With his size, he would have to be a slick boxer type to beat Lewis. Coming forward to Lewis would just get him blasted with uppercuts.

 

Yes.

Let me put it more broadly: Do you think Charles, Marciano, and Louis were on PEDs that non-experts would colloquially refer to as "steroids" today? I assume from your next comment that the answer would be "no," based on lack of mass produced availability to the boxing community.

Which we have documentation for. Do we have similar evidence for amateur Olympian boxers or elite pro boxers using it during that period?

What makes you think Klitschko wasn't using PEDs at 19? He was part of the Soviet system. Or Lennox at 19, for that matter?

Conversely, Terrell was 6'6" and muscular by 60s / 70s standards. He was bigger than Ali. He was not, however, an out of context monster, because he lacked the ingredients -- weight training and top level PEDs -- to make him Lennox sized. He was taller, but lighter, than Foreman. If that's all you mean by saying Lennox would be bigger than his contemporaries, I have no disagreement with you. But I suspect you're saying something stronger.

As you yourself point out with EPO, the ingredients (and know-how in the boxing community, when we come right down to it) to make people big and muscular while retaining stamina may not have even been available at all in the 1960s-70s.

So I remain agnostic on how large a 60s/70s Lennox would be, how strong he would be, and how well he would perform.

 

He beats everyone: Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton or whomever you think was good back then.

 

He beats the **** out of 70s Ali.

 

Potentially all of them if things go his way. In reality I could see him dropping a loss to Holmes and possibly Ali depending on when they fight. I guess Foreman is the highest ranked fighter I’d favor him to beat and that assuming that Lennox doesn’t get caught early the way he did against McCall and Rahman. I think he makes easy work of Norton and Frazier.

 

Good joke. Lewis beats them all.

 

From 1975 onward definitely. Prior to that point I’m not so sure. Ali of the early 70s still had a lot of speed, durability and stamina. Not out of the question for Lennox to beat that version either but Ali would still have a strong chance of winning a decision.., remember, Lewis didn’t fight too many good boxers

 

Foreman just left himself wide open and Lewis could outbox him or hit him with power shots. Frazier was too small and Lewis could pull a "Norton" on Ali.

 

I think that is incorrect. With his size, if he was a "slick boxer type" Frazier would have been too small with arms to short to make that work. If Frazier was going to win he would have to bully and bore his way in to have a chance.

 

But if he bored in, he would be in Lewis wheelhouse. And if he can't outbox Lewis, I don't see how he wins. Lewis could hit as hard as Foreman.

 

Holmes and a good version of Ali would be 50-50. Lewis obviously stronger and longer so hed be on the front foot pushing the action and his longer jab and footwork would be hard to deal with early on. However, Lewis faded after a few rounds and slowed down quite bad so if the Two worked the body and conserved themselves early they could have some strong mid rounds and even stun Lewis with a fast counter or right hand lead. Decision either way.

Foreman would KO Lewis. Lewis doesn't have the length to keep Foreman off him, the feet to escape him, strength is similar if we take the 230 pound George that fought Denis. Foreman was a lot more defensively responsibe than people pretend, his jab would allow him to set up his power shots and I just don't see how this doesn't turn out Like a Lewis vs Mercer replay with Lewis taking way heavier shots than he did against Ray. How many Times did Lennox really face a tall, big heavyweight with a chin and balls? Very hard to keep someone Like that off you.

Norton and Frazier would get knocked out IMO. Both could have some good moments but at the end of the day both are come forward fighters and I don't think they could deal with Lewis power and strength in the trenches. Frazier a little too hittable and Norton too chinny.

 

Might as well ask them to fly. Both head hunters, Holmes being less so.

 

Lennox Lewis was good, but never was a great fighter. Because of styles there are some from the era he could steamroll but he was mostly boring and was always way too cautious to ever be great.

 

Every single one of them, including Ali. He might lose 2/3 out of a trilogy with Ali, but he's winning at least once.