Highest ranked fighters with least impressive wins on their resume?

Toney i totally agree but does Hopkins really need excuses? Toney was fully established and at the supposed top of his game at that time. He might have been P4P number 2 i think.

By comparison Hopkins was eons off his top work and while still good he was held in no great regard at the time. He wasn't a patch on what he was to become. Of course to be fair Jones was inexperienced finding his feet too tho he had great fanfare and exposure at the time. Of course the result may well have not changed later anyway but the fact is this fight was fought with Hopkins no-where near his best.

Toney tho is an entirely different matter and given the total schooling Jones put on him has to be rated a real top shelf win. With Jones it wasn't just the sheer class of whom he was beating, but how he was beating them also. He was making good solid fighters look like clowns.

 

Funny enough, the '70s featured four dominant HOF champions from lightweight to light-heavyweight - Duran, Napoles, Monzon, Foster - that you could make a case dominated somewhat weak-ish divisions. Their title reigns generally featured couple of big wins spread out among stretches of so-so challengers.

Of course, unlike the other three, Duran went on to amass a great resume above his weight class.

 

only saldivar is a hall of famer there and saldivar was very past his prime when jofre beat him..

 

You could say that about most fighters who remained in their division though. Hagler's title reign is full of (in your words) "so-so challengers", with the exception of those champs who moved up in weight. Larry Holmes' reign can be called weak also. In fact, you'll find most dominant champs since the war, who stayed mainly on one division, also come into this category. Part of it is down to them being so dominant that top contenders never got the chance to make a name for thermselves.

 

suppose he would be a top guy.

but if a guy fought 200 times and beat all the top contenters like Willie and theres noone left to fight. he cant help it can he.

but i see where you are getting at though tha porportioanlly its not so great

 

Adds Dempsey and Holmes to the list

 

I knew I was gonna ***** slapped for that comment, lol.

 

jake beat holman man

 

You could say Jofre's very best wins came at feather whereas its bantamweight where he's predominantly rated as an elite level great. Just saying, but i ont knock the man.

 

Toney was weight drained. It's one of those fights where the evidence is clearly in the viewing of the fight. Gil Clancy commented during the ring walk "he's going to be fighting like he has concrete shoes on" as Toney came into the ring at 184lbs. He was gasping for breath during the second round. Toney whole physical demeanour wasn't what it had been in previous fights. His timing was off, he wasn't busy, and at times he could hardly get off with punches, even when he had opportunties to do so. Excluding what Jones was doing, Toney was lethargic in everyway possible. I'm not trying to take credit away from Jones' win, as his excellent skills and speed were also part of the reason for the drubbing Toney recieved.

Not sure about dropping 40lbs in 2 weeks like some claim. Thats probably nonsense. I did ask Jackie Kallen, Toney's manager, on my Myspace if his weight weight problems were as bad as reported leading up to the Jones fight, she said "yes".

Tarver also showed similar signs against Hopkins. Very much the same regarding workrate and blowing not too long into the fight.

 

Why are Toney and Jackie on such terrible terms now, out of curiosity?

 

You suggesting he wasn't weight drained? Ohhh dear. I liked this part "Everyone that Jones fought at 160/168 looked like they had concrete in their shoes and arms" you were a smart cookie with that counter. Very smart indeed. A great way for you to support your claim Toney was fine and dandy.

Toney clearly showed the signs of being a weight drained fighter more than any fighter I'd seen up until De La Hoya's against Pacquaio. Not punching, tiring quickly, and generally looking a shell of himself regarding reflexes and speed. He was usually a demon counter puncher. But he wasn't even hitting fresh air on a regular basis as he could hardly lift his arms to punch. He went into a defensive shell continually which invited Jones onto him even more.

I can only suggest you have never seen how a weight drained fighter performs or the type of signs during a performance to show the evidence. If Toney isn't showing you signs during the Jones performance, then god knows.

If thats the way you see it, fair enough. You said it, not me. :good