Highly controversial fights that are forgotten

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  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They may have. Doctors also said Donald Trumps fatass is the picture of health. The point is that Duran was kicking Buchanans ass legitimately, not because of some foul fight he was fighting and it was Buchanan who fought after the bell and then cried like a ***** when Duran followed his example. And frankly, that punch was nothing more than an arm punch that grazed Buchanans cup. You wont convince me Buchanan didnt know he was WAY behind and tried to milk it for the DQ. Any talk about Duran fighting some monstrously foul fight is just the result this weird fanboyism thats cropped up around Buchanan who was nothing special to begin with.
     
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  2. Unforgiven

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    Maybe he wasn't. But I can't think of many lightweights Duran beat who were better, never mind much better.
    Buchanan's probably in the top 2 or 3 of Duran's lightweight wins.
    It might actually be his best win at 135.
     
  3. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dejesus was head and shoulders above Buchanan. Buchanan was no better than Thompson, Lampkin, or Viruet when Duran fought them.
     
  4. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Active Member Full Member

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    What about referee Jack Welch helping Ad Wolgast to his feet, while at the same time counting out Joe Rivers, after the double knockdown, seems dodgy .
     
  5. JohnThomas1

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    No doubt Duran was winning easily and heading toward victory.

    No idea how hard the punch was as it's impossible to tell really. I have no idea if Ken was trying to milk a DQ. It's possible but it's somewhat a guess.

    Duran fought dirty at times but the bout was never out of control from memory.

    Buchanan was an excellent fighter imo.


    Buchanan was noticeably better than those guys, a different level for sure.
     
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  6. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, DeJesus might have been better but "head and shoulders better" ? I'm not convinced of that.
    DeJesus isn't exactly a thoroughbred ATG.

    If Buchanan's no better than Viruet or Lampkin, the ranking of 135 Duran possibly takes a further hit. As dominant and as admirable as his reign was, there's an issue over quality of opposition here.
     
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  7. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Theres always been an issue of quality of opposition for Durans lightweight reign. Ive never heard anyone dispute that it was a relatively weak era. But Duran, a natural lightweight, having do much success against guys like Leonard, Hagler, Palomino, etc says a lot about what he would have accomplished against other all time great lightweights or a deeper division. I dont see Buchanan as great or special at all. He was a typical standup European style boxer. Straight up and down, jab, one two. He wasnt any better than the guys I mentioned and yes Dejesus was head and shoulders above him IMO.
     
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  8. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bump.
    John Riel Casimero vs Luis Lazarte deserves a mention. This was before Casimero became a bigger player in the lower weight division and started fighting in the opponents backyard. The fight was not only dirty and foul filled but it also sparked a huge riot from the Argentinian crowd, displaying disgusting behavior as bad as Hagler vs Minter.
    Definitely a horrible night of boxing, and one that is almost completely forgotten now.

     
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  9. NickChristo

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    Marlon Starling - Molinares, one of Starlings best performances where he seemed to actually take the fight and training for it seriously, not a common thing for Starling obviously, taking Molinares to school and he gets caught with a big right hand after the bell rings.

    Andrew Dalton - 'Six Heads' Lewis, Lewis had to leave the ring to use the toilet after having a shake pre fight that didn't agree with him. Also ahead on all scorecards.

    James Toney - Dave Tiberi, should've been a clear Tiberi win.
    Pernell Whitaker - Jose Luis Ramirez I, clear Whitaker win.
     
  10. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Alfredo Escalera W15 Tyrone Everett
     
  11. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Starling was known to be a dilligent trainer.
     
  12. TBooze

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    A lot of those named bouts were indeed controversial, but hardly forgotten...
     
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  13. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Shibata vs Marcel Thil in 1971?
     
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    Santana vs Norris I & II. Very forgettable fights... LOL!
     
  15. mochabuzz

    mochabuzz Active Member Full Member

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    Yep... I remember watching that fight when I was in 8th grade... it was a shocking decision! I'm still kinda pissed about that.