Highway robbery in Mexico

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  1. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    There was some shameful, shameful judging tonight in Mexico, and two fighters who deserved wins over name brand Mexicans came away without their deserved spoils.

    First, Fidel Monterrosa gave Humberto Soto all he could handle, knocking him down once officially, but also knocking him down several other times that were called slips (with a number of legitimate slips thrown in there). He also had Soto on shaky legs more than once, and outworked Soto in a number of rounds. Yet one of the judges had the cojones to score the fight 118-109 for Soto, only giving Monterrosa the round where he scored the knockdown. The other two scored it 115-112 for Soto, which I guess was conceivable if you gave Soto every single round that Monterrosa didn't clearly win. I had it 115-112 for Monterrosa.

    Second, while Jorge Arce tried hard as usual, he got schooled by Lorenzo Parra, who stayed way out of range and potshotted him all night. I could probably count the number of clean punches Arce landed on my fingers. Yet the fight was "declared a draw". They didn't even announce scorecards! Something really fishy there. I had it 98-92 for Parra, and I thought that even might be a bit generous in favor of Arce.

    Anyone else catch these fights and agree or disagree?
     
    Brickhaus, Sep 18, 2010
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  2. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Im following the Arce fight through IB's rbr and it sounds like Arce is/was getting schooled.
     
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I saw rounds 11 and 12 of Soto-Monterrosa, and Monterrosa appeared to be outfighting him in both (and dropped Soto clearly in the 11th).

    That made it seem very odd when they announced 118-109 for Soto.

    I only found two rounds for Jorge Arce. If I was a big fan of his and wanted to reach to reward his ineffective aggression, he could have gotten maybe one more. What's vexing is that we don't even know the judges' scores, so it could have been 95-95 three ways, or it could have been that two of them were split with any manner of margins.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Mijares, Darchinyan, and Nongqayi all beat Arce much worse than Parra.

    Parra still clearly beat him, though.
     
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  5. Gonzarelli

    Gonzarelli Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nowadays it seems that running and clinching automatically earns you rounds.
     
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  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Mora ran and clinched.

    Parra ran and counter-punched with relatively little clinching, and unfortunately for Arce those few light counter-punches tallied up to more than anything he was able to squeeze through.

    Soto-Monterrosa looked like a war, and Monterrosa looked like he was administering a bit of a beating at the end. That one certainly wasn't won through clinching and running.
     
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  7. Gonzarelli

    Gonzarelli Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your definition of "little clinching" must differ from mine!
     
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  8. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    I thought Parra did clinch and run a lot, but he also LANDED PUNCHES, something Arce didn't do. Therefore, I thought he won rather easily. If Parra wasn't also dipping in and landing flurries 4 or 5 times a round, I might not have scored the rounds for him. But when one guy lands 10 punches and the other guy lands 1 glancing blow, then the guy who landed the 10 punches won the round, regardless of what happened the rest of the round.
     
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  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I said "relatively". :deal

    Compared to Mora, Parra barely clinched at all. :lol: More importantly, he counter-punched far more effectively than Mora in between running.
     
    IntentionalButt, Sep 18, 2010
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  10. Gonzarelli

    Gonzarelli Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You did leave yourself a way out of this, credit to you:good
     
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  11. Kampioni

    Kampioni Good Boy Full Member

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    How many times has Arce fought this year? guys on a roll
     
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  12. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Officials just changed the result to a win for Arce.
     
    Boom_Boom, Sep 19, 2010
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  13. Henke67

    Henke67 One of the 45% Full Member

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    Never seen the fight but the way this has unfolded seems a bit fishy. They don't announce the scores for Arce-Parra and just declare it a draw, then claim a scoring error and give the fight to Arce?

    I love Arce, the guys a real warrior but this doesn't sound right.
     
    Henke67, Sep 19, 2010
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  14. magellan1002

    magellan1002 New Member Full Member

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    jorge arce wins yeeeh.... :nut
     
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  15. 555east

    555east Well-Known Member Full Member

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    apparently this was an Eliminator bout so will Arce fight for the title next?
     
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