Hindsight is a Wonderful Thing: Price from Bedford Bear to The Tiger

Price should steer clear of anyone decent for his next fight at least, Chisora can be good at laying on the pressure and after seeing what happened on Saturday will no doubt look to get his head on Prices chest and throw some bombs like he did against Helenius.

Price needs to work on his guard and tighten it up, he doesn't seem to create too many angles and tends to throw straight down the pipe as well I have noticed. He should be boxing a bit more like Audley did in Prizefighter, wait for your opponent to come in and then jab and look to follow it up with a big right hand. When he comes forward he neglects his defences and that's when he's likely to be caught and countered.

 

Good questions, ill post on this later.

 

haha ****ing hindsight its unbelievable

 

I agree Chisora could be all wrong for Price and could be similar to the Vitali fight but with more chance of Chisora winning by pressuring Price. He seems to have relied on his power and now he's hit that wall that he knew he'd hit eventually but didn't prepare for it due to all the hype (ie everyone loading up at the bookmakers on under 4 rounds Price win). He's now met the level were he'll get hit back and people can take his power (more than 2 rounds anyway). Now is the time we see whether he can adapt his game plan apart from the 1-2 with the one being a range finder, he can't put combinations together unless his opponents are on the ropes. I hope he can use some defensive skills and work on his combinations, but we'll see and until we find out we can't say who'd win between him and Fury (no definite winner anyway)

 

If you check my post history I'm one of the few who always did rate Fury above Price but I did always rate Price. I was suprised at how easily Skelton managed to get into range.

I think guys like Harrison and Skelton and even McDerrmott just fell apart once Price hit them because he really does hit that hard but a guy like Thompson was obviously not going to yet Price seemed to assume he would.

Price needs to work on his fundamentals, he needs to box some guys who may not be a vreal threat but who won't just go down after the first bit of adversity. Guys like Guinn, Sprott, Maurice Harris then after a few like this go after guys like Manuel Charr, Robert Helenius and then it'll be time to step it up and go for guys like Chisora, Wilder, Malick Scott, Fury etc.

 

Pricey isn't flawless, I commented on this after the Skelton fight but the loss was predominantly to do with his ability to take a shot. Price didn't have a great chin in the amateurs but things can change.

He still has ability but he needs to accept he can't engage and must move to potshotting like Wlad and Floyd until his opponent drops a gear.

 

I would recommend doing this.

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It wasn't just Skelton and McDermott who backed him up. Obviously Cammerelle did in the Olympics and beat him very easily but some of those pregnant Latvians had him looking uncomfortable when they got past his left paw. He was knocked out by Stivern and Glazkov in the ams too. He looks great against guys that stand off like Sexton but anybody who wants to get inside and is able to get past his terrible jab will cause him problems. I actually picked McDermott to beat him because of this. atsch

I don't think he's going to change that much, he's 30 not some kid that hasn't been boxing very long, I doubt this is like Joe Louis getting his flaw exploited by Schmelling, its probably a similar situation to David Lemieux who blasts people out at one level but can't handle the step up. Price has a very powerful right hand and puts power punches together well and I think people have gone overboard because we just don't see many heavyweights like that anymore and boxing fans love nothing more than a heavyweight that knocks people out in an aggressive manner. Power is exciting and when you see somebody blast people out like Price was doing to Sexton, Dallas etc it's amazing to see and easy to get carried away.

Going back in time and being in Franks position, instead of Skelton I'd probably opt for Sosnowski (if he hadn't got that draw against Rasani) knowing he was past it and not very good to begin with. Easy to hype him up. Then probably Dimitrenko which would be very dangerous but you need to take some chances and if he lost it wouldn't be so humiliating or possibly Adamek (who couldn't get Kevin McBride out early) in America. Get past them and go for the money against Wlad or David Haye, if he's beaten Adamek in America HBO might be interested. I'd move him quickly for the money because he's so fragile but he had a ton of hype and a big following, may as well strike while the iron is hot. I don't think a loss against any of those would be so devastating either, at least they aren't 41 with a gut. He could always make a run for the Lonsdale afterwards and if everything went ok he'd be able to get another crack for some serious money again. But who the **** knows?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yM5_cQFKBM

 

I haven't often started threads on here but I did a start one some time back regarding Price and the way he has always talked about having things to learn and being on a long learning process. All fighters are on a learning curve throughout their careers but the point I was trying to raise was the inherent lack of confidence that has come across when Price has continually been saying these things. You can say in hindsight he has things to learn, but I had my doubts about his toughness prior to Saturday.

Fury is picking his way to the top but at least he has toughed out fights back when he was toally unfit and it's only the last 12 months he has got himself anywhere near the required level of fitness. At no time, however, has he verbally backed down from anyone and always talks about fighting a Klit at 5 yrs Price's junior. The opposite has been true of Price who has talked the other way about being so many fights away from a title. I got the impression that Price would turn down a title fight even if he was offered top dollar.

Price has displayed no confidence in himself at all when it comes to questions about going to the top. That was evident on Saturday against someone who didn't just stand in range and allow Price to plant his feet and offload at will. But it wasn't a case of this being too soon as Thompson's waist told you how serious he was taking the fight at 41 yrs of age. It was a case of Price being too scared to throw a jab to establish his range. Simple as that - scared to throw a jab! To try and get round this he held his left hand out in paw-like fashion like Wlad has done, someone who has similar concerns about taking a punch but clearly not on Price's scale.

Anyone with a slight dig and who has decent movement isn't gonna be up Price's street. It's a shame cos he's a good guy

 

I am not going to pretend I thought Thompson would win saturday but I have said on here it was a 50-50 fight, however that was said more to emply that it was a big step up and great challenge for Price. After the weigh in I had no doubts Price would win. Thats the scary thing, Thompson wasn't even here to win!

Price jumped from Domestic to world class, when there are 20-30 Heavyweights inbetween he could have been facing. It's because Maloney only has one fighter and he had to have Price in big fights rather than learning fights. His best win to date is against Sam Sexton for me who I would say is top 50 in the world, and Tony Thompson is to 10/15.

The likes off Fres Oquendo, Timut Ibragimov, Monte Barrett, Jason Estrada, Dominic Guinn even fighters like Travis Walker and Derik Rossy would have been good before PF. But they won't get 6,000 in the arena and lets face it we all would have slagged him off on this forum for fighting bums.

Price got over confidence from knocking over undermatched opponents. Dallas, McDermott, Sexton, Harrison & Skelton were all good opponents but there needed to be something inbetween those and Tony Thompson who was a legit top 15 Heavyweight.

Price also played up to the crowd. There was to much pressure on his shoulders. Due to his in expirience he was more interested in please the crowd and getting the KO than using his brain. Price should have jabbed Thompsons face of for 6 rounds and then hit him with the right hand but he felt he could blast him out of there like the domestic fighters he had faced.

He needed rounds, he needed testing. Because he hadnt been tested when he faced somebody decent they exposed him. He should have faced 3 of the guys I mentioned. 2 in the UK, 1 in the US. Then a big fight vs a Derick Chisora before stepping up to fight a Tony Thompson. He should have faced;

Feb 2013 vs Dominic Guinn
May 2013 vs Derick Rossy
Jul 2013 vs Fres Oquendo in USA
Sep 2013 vs Derick Chisora
Dec 2013 vs Tony Thompson

That would have taken in to 20-0. Price needs to get rid of Maloney and get a promoter that can have him as a co headliner rather than a makn event so he doesn't have to make huge steps in class.

Everybody talks about Maloney being the man with Heavyweights because of Lennox Lewis......but they forget about Tom Dallas, Scott Belshaw, John McDermott, Scott Gammer, Mickey Steeds etc. Sign with Matchroom, W*rren or Sauerland.

Then fight;

May 2013 vs Richard Towers
Jul 2013 vs Dominic Guinn
Sep 2013 vs Derrick Rossy
Dec 2013 vs Fres Oquendo
Mar 2014 vs Tony Thompson II
Jun 2014 vs Derick Chisora

From a training point of view, to prepare your fighter to fight a 6ft5 250lbs HW by predomonatley sparring a novice Cruiserweight is ridiclous. Price should have been out in Germany & USA sparring like Fury has, not just being a Klitscko clone. Apparently e got beat up vs Pulev and David Haye has hurt him allot, even if the poor work in the Skelton fight didn't tell you he wasnt ready surley those sparring seasions would have.

From a physical standpoint, he is top heavy. Thats why he got KO'd on Saturday. His legs couldnt support him once his senses were gone. Thats also how fighters are able to walk him back. It happened in the McDermott & Skelton fights even though they didn't last long. He doesn't fight his size, theres no reason for a 6ft8 fighter to be on the inside trading. He doesn't have any kind of defence and he walks back onto the ropes far to often. He also bounces around the ring which is great but I guarentee he couldnt do it for 12 rounds. I also understand Price takes allot of breaks inbetween training for fights so most of his camps are only 6 weeks. He should always be training at this stage of his career!

For Price the startegy is simple. Jab, Jab, Jab, Jab, Jab, Jab Right Hand. Get rid of your amateur trainer and get someone who can teach you how to throw a jab!

 

This may sound slightly odd but it's always been the shape of David Price's body and his long lean face that just made me think he wouldn't stand up to big punches, I remember the way he crumpled in bean pole fashion in the olympics and it's hard to forget really. He just has that long thin stature, doesn't have the stockiness in his upper body or the strength in his legs and seems slightly awkward and off balance probably because his legs are so long. It sounds an absurd observation given that he an absolute giant but he just doesn't seem to have that physical strength and toughness, there are some guys that have heads like a big lump of metal that punches look like they'd just bounce off, like Holyfield, and when you look at Price he just seems to lack that gritty steel physique. He LOOKS like that kind of Heavy that would be vulnerable imo.

 

Needs to keep a tighter defence and not give away as much ground when throwing the big shots. Control it from the outside. Use his jab more effectively. He can use his height to have his jab half out there and keep it in their face. Step back and jab when under pressure.

 

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