Historically Where Is Floyd If He Beats The Winner Of Cotto Vs Margarito???

:rofl :rofl atsch

I put out the challenge for you to find 50 (which is not even 100) fighters who have accomplished then Floyd.

Floyd's career is at its end. He doesn't need to be more active. There's only ONE thing he needs to do really before he goes. Fight and beat Cotto.

 

He's already a top 30 ATG IMO so with win over Cotto he move to top 15 to 20 ATG a win over Margo won't mean as much probably top 25 ATG.

 

Top 25-30, I guess.

I need more time to study the histories of all the fighters.

My knowledge of some of the greats in the first half of the 20th century such as Canzoneri, Ross, etc...is rather general.

 

You're a moron.

Mitchell and Bruseles were warm up fights. Floyd only fought Gatti, because Hatton and Tszyu wanted no part of him. He was calling out De La Hoya AND Mosley at this time and both refused. Baldomir was the undisputed welterweight champ. Judah held the IBF belt and considered the top Welter in the division before his defeat by Baldomir. Then he moved up and beat a 154 lb de la hoya, light middle champion which is just as significant if not moreso then Cotto's when at 147 against Mosley. Hatton was the undisputed king of 140lbs, ranked the 8th best fighter in the world, and if he would have beaten Floyd would have been ranked P4P best.

Add to the fact his excellent competition at the lower weights

Castillo 2
Corrales
Genero Hernandez
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez

ALL champions, and considered the best in there divisions. Easily ATG status. Nobody in history has won 6 belts in 5 weight classes and remained undefeated. Learn something about boxing before you open that yap of yours.

If Mayweather stays at 130 he beats the **** out of Morales, Barrera and Pac. There is no them with floyd at 130. He did them a favor. And Tyson? Lol. Are you on crack?

 

He won't even fight a top ten WW so I agree!

 

Um, no. Thats blatantly untrue about KT.

I think you'll find he fought Gatti because the WBC took the belt off KT and 'gave' it to Gatti.

About Baldo, true. He was crap, but had a belt.
And he can't be undisputed if Judah still has a belt can he? He was linear.
Judah only had the belt because of Baldo not paying sanctioning fees to all of the orgs if I remember right?

After Judahs' defeat to a journeyman, of course his stock fell!! And he only had a belt because of bull****.

ODLH was only the champ because of a gimme title fight against everyones favourite B side, Mayorga. Not a bad win for Floyd though. ODLH had the one belt gifted to him.

I would say Mosely was more competitive than ODLH at that time.

Hatton wasn't undisputed at all. Again, you're mixing up your terms. If Floyd had a 140 belt, how could Hatton be undisputed? I think Hatton had 1 belt at the time of the fight? A good win though to be honest.

But how good is Hatton at welter? Ah, about a solid top 10 fighter that's about all.

This is what pisses me off about Floyd. It's all IF IF IF.

IF he stayed at this weight. IF he had fought this guy, IF he had done this.
Well, he ****ing didn't.

Other guys DID.

Floyd is an ATG because of what he's done no doubt. but don't blow up his achievements by calling guys "undisputed" when they aren't. He's gone through the WBC belts, and had some real gimmes in there. Gatti and ODLH are pretty easy title fights IMO at that point in those guys careers.

 

That's also untrue.

Kostya fought Leija in early 2003, when Floyd was still at light-weight.

Due to injuries (which Kostya obviously had no say over), Kostya was out for the next 22 months. Being an UNDISPUTED champion (with three mandatories), you can see why he was stripped (the IBF were even close, but chose to crown Mitchell an interim champion instead).

Kostya was then FORCED to fight Mitchell, or lose the only other belt he had. And while he was not forced to fight Hatton, Hatton was also the IBF mandatory (after beating Michael Stewart in an eliminator).

Furthermore, Kostya was with showtime and Floyd with HBO. Don't know if it's still as hard, but back then, it was very difficult to over-come.

But I think BOTH fighters mentioned a willingness to fight the other. I know you weren't, but ANYONE who says Floyd ducked Kostya simply does not know the situation.

Same applies to anyone who says Kostya ducked Floyd.

 

Floyd should beat Cotto ASAP and then move on to the next challenge. Just beating Cotto is not adding enough to define Mayweather's career as high as he wants it to be defined.

He should go out there and fight Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, Quintana, Berto, and any other fighter who claims to be the best in the division, and if not then he should move up and start taking over the next division

 

After this year's glorified sparring session with Oscar, Floyd will have secured all the money he could possibly need to retire comfortably. At 31, that gives him, conservatively, three years to fight at or near his prime athletic ability. Let's say that in that time, he fought the whopping total of twice a year. That gives him six meaningful fights with which he could enhance his legacy instead of, and really, along with, his bankroll.

He could beat Cotto to open 2009, then defend his undisputed title against the winner of August's Judah - Clottey fight.

He could open 2010 by defending against an up and coming fighter like Berto, much the way Hagler took on and defeated John Mugabi, and then close the year by beating Cotto in a rematch, assuming Miguel won the necessary eliminators to make this fight viable.

And if all this wasn't impressive enough, beating Cotto twice, a possibly refocused Judah, and maybe Clottey or Berto, he could decide to finish his career by taking on the real champ at 154, which by 2011, should be a clarified and more worthwhile weight class. I'm not saying he'll necessarily be the "man", since guys like Angulo, Dzinziruk, even Spinks will still be there, but let's just say Kirkland continues to improve and holds the belts at 154 by then.

If Floyd ended his career by boxing circles around the mauling, prime beast that may very well be a 28 year-old James Kirkland, and if he did this after making five sterling defenses at 147, along with his resume at the lighter weights, there would be no one left in his right mind who wouldn't proudly call themselves a Mayweather fan, and give him him deserved respect in the ATG lists.

Instead, he's spending his time planning mock retirements and calling out NFL running backs over club beefs.

Don't say "politics" or "haters" are holding Floyd back from the highest levels of ATG status. He's getting that done just fine on his own.

 

If Margo wins he'll fight Hatton again.

 

:think

Tyson dominated very weak era and then he lost his biggest fights. He was very carefully managed after the jail - he fought LOOSER of the Holyfield-Bowe III, and still managed to lose. Never saw anyone seriously putting him top-30.

Pryor fought in great era but never tried to make truely great statement in the loaded 147 or 154 division. He didn't want to climb ONE division to fight SRL, preferring to beat all the No Nam Fuks of the world and 1 ATG who started at featherweight :bart

 

This crap just bobs up on and on.

One's status cannot be disputed just because the xyz's bureaucrats gave the title to the guy he won right now.

 

I'm not banned.

He's already a top 30 ATG IMO so with win over Cotto he move to top 15 to 20 ATG a win over Margo won't mean as much probably top 25 ATG.

 

Morales, Barrera, even Tyson? I didn't know the bar was that low.

 

I'll wait until he retires to answer this :yep