Historically: who would be the best chance to knock Oliver McCall to the Canvas?

Do you have a condition of some kind? You worry me more than most I speak to on here, you just can't accept the fact that you've lost an argument even when you have absolutely NOTHING going for you.

In the second Lewis/McCall fight, McCall never let him tee off as has been spread around these forums. He simply stopped trying to fight, dropping his hands and doing nothing at times, but every time Lennox came forward to throw a big shot or combo, McCall covered up. He never even hit him clean with a big shot in that whole fiasco. Lennox's performance in that whole sequence was ****, to be blunt.

And do I think Louis hit harder than Lennox? Who's to say he didn't? Shavers and Foreman were both smaller than Lennox as well, does that mean there is no way they hit harder either? Shavers was even smaller than Louis, and you just conceded that Shavers could probably drop McCall. Where is your argument?

 

Shavers is the hardest hitter of all time IMO,, Louis is not,and I dont' feel I have lost the arguement,, just because you say something your always right??

 

I doubt you know that to be honest. My guess is that you don't know who most of the guys Louis fought were.

McCall isn't from Louis generation, so him being once in a generation has little to do with this since it doesn't mean there were no fighters from Louis generation with his chin capacity.

 

You said Louis is too small to drop McCall, after saying that Shavers would possibly drop him, despite the fact that Shavers was smaller than Louis, and doesn't have as impressive a record of knockouts against top opposition. Again, where is your argument?

 

I've watched alot of Louis's fights,,, Like I said he never faced a chin like McCalls

 

It's not only my statement,, It's a general knowledge that shavers is the hardest hitter of alltime,,,, Holmes and ali said so also,, BTW you do know that Louis faced the BUM OF THE MONTH CLUB that built his Ko record alot:good

 

W. Klitchko could on a good night..

he might have a suspect chin but he has alot of size, speed and power...

he has knockout power in his left hook and right cross...

 

General knowledge? It's a matter of opinion and nothing more. When taking facts into account it certainly isn't true.

Other things to take into consideration: as has been stated, composite punchers are the best finishers and the most likely to KD granite-chinned fighters, as their punches are faster and better timed, and as the saying goes "it's the ones you don't see that hurt you". A guy like Louis is a FAR better composite puncher than a guy like Shavers, even if Shavers hits slightly harder in terms of brute force.

And again, it all comes down to what you originally said, which is why this argument started. You claimed that Louis was too small, and that is why he'd have no chance at knocking McCall down, despite the fact that Shavers(whom you've chosen to KD McCall above all others) was even smaller than Louis. Explain that, or simply state the truth and admit you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 

Yah, but I don't believe you. Which is my right. Perhaps if you set a better precedence, then I would. But you haven't and your responses here haven't help. Disagreeing is fine, but the reasons you gave? Not so much.

You point out that Shavers was acknowledged by Ali and Holmes as the hardest puncher ever? Well, many people acknowledge Louis as one of the greatest punchers ever. And that is not all about power.

But there is no point in arguing this. I will not agree with you or vice versa.

 

:rofl

 

Your a ****ing smart ass,, composite hitter huh,, boy you sure try to talk smart,,,,,,, Holmes said it best my friend since we are speaking of composite punchers,,, being hit by tyson was like being hit by a ferrari,,,,, being hit by Shavers was like being hit by a mac truck,,, your theory just went out the window huh?

 

Just because you have a thousands of posts does not make you god on here, just proves you need a damn life, I mean really over 35 posts a day?? get a damn job

 

Answer my question. How can you use Louis's size as a deterrent for his chances against McCall when the fighter you've chosen to put him down is even smaller than Louis, and didn't prove himself anywhere near as much as Louis did outside of a quote from Larry Holmes(who was perhaps a bit bitter after getting beaten around the ring like a rag doll by Tyson, while he took Shavers's best shots)?

 

I do need a job, noone's arguing that. But if they did argue it I assume it would be more well-constructed than your arguments in this thread, which have consisted basically of the following:

"Huh??!?!? WTF!! Are you serious! Shavers hit way harder you moron! I don't care! Nyeah nyeah nyeah!!! I win!"

Grow the **** up.

 

I chose shavers as the best guy to put down McCall,,, based on reports by boxers,,, boxing historians that he was the hardest hitting heavy of all time,,, Louis while great was not in that league of deadly hitters,,, dont' forget that louis has a great Ko record but keep in mind the many bums he faced