History Lesson: Kid Gavilan

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  1. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Is the Cokes fight on utube?
     
  2. Sweet Pea

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    He didn't have "no power" you muppet, he just wasn't a power puncher. He could bang away with the best of them. Watch his stoppage of Turner and tell me he had no power.
     
  3. Sweet Pea

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    A highlight of it is up there, but he had two fights with him, and I've seen both on another site. Still, the footage on Youtube will suffice. Shows his fluidity, footwork, and ability to change up the pace.
     
  4. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    143 fights, 28 KO's?

    Malignaggi would scoff at that record.
     
  5. brooklyn1550

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    Gavilan wasn't a big puncher, but don't let his record fool you, he could punch. Much more so than the completely featherfisted Malignaggi.
     
  6. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    I have the Turner fight on right now. The finaly in the fight is just plain brutal.

    In a sense, this fight reminds me of Trinidad vs Vargas. Like Turner, Vargas was similar to Trinidad in many ways and was game as could be- but just not ready for a fight of that maginitude. He was competitive, but the long term effect of the fight was much more telling on the career of Vargas.

    From what I understand, Turner would never go on to fight for a championship again.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Hearns
    Burley
    Robinson (obvioulsy)
    Williams
    Leonard
    Walker

    Should all be favoured over him in my view.

    I think that

    Britton
    McLarnin
    Loi
    Napoles
    Duran
    Ross

    Are close to 50/50 fights, though I favour Kid in all of these with a gun to my head.

    Griffith
    Rodriguez
    Bassilo
    Benitez
    DeLaHoya
    Trinidad
    Walcott
    Whitaker
    Lewis

    Are very great fighters who he should be favoured over.

    One of the greatest chins of all time, unquestionably.

    Are
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think he was a stinging puncher. Nobody would be walking through him at WW. But you could see why he is not to be considered alongside MW greats like some of these other great WW's, perhaps primarily because of the power issue.
     
  9. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    McGrain do you have footage of Burley? I would very much like to see a full match, although I have seen some limited stuff on Utube.
     
  10. McGrain

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    I have the Oakland Billy Smith fight. And that is it! Splendid stuff though. Smith was seen as a real banger at 175, but Burley is the puncher in that fight.

    Last time I checked, which was some time ago, the whole fight was on YouTube, in two parts?
     
  11. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Perfect, here is part II

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  12. Sweet Pea

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    Williams? Which Williams would that be? Paul?

    I'll take him over Walker as well. I give him a decent chance against Leonard, and I think a matchup with Burley would be very interesting, but I don't see why I'd outright favor Burley.

    Duran is 50/50, very close fight. I'd favor him at 147 against all of the others aside from Napoles.

    You'd favor him outright over Griffith? Big call there, that fight is very tough for me. I'll take him over Rodriguez in a very interesting styles matchup. They were both skilled on the inside with similar looping body punches. Benitez is a tough matchup for him. Whitaker would be a very interesting matchup, to see if he could keep Gavilan at bay.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Holman. Think about it now. Quick, slick, not interested in a stoppage or in bullying his man (which is not possible) beautiful positioning and world class punch resistance has kept him out of trouble against punchers all his career.

    Murderous body puncher, extremely busy, impossible to discourage...what I've looked for in picking out fighters are guys who do what they do better than anyone ever did it at the weight. If there is a "kryptonite" it is probably incredible speed, but even that is not to be counted upon entirely when you are considering a fighter of such variety.

    How do you see Kid dealing with Walker's brand of violence?

    Burley is to be favoured because of his evasivness, but also becuase of his enormous strength. Plus, I won't rule out power. A guy who can stop a HW 220lb HW, however limited, whilst weighing 150, is special enough in this regard to trouble even Kid at the WW limit. This is a fight where Burley's reach is also a very, very serious advantage. He was a wonderful timer of a man, and Kid is going to have to find some way of closing the distance without getting hurt. Don't bet on it.

    Do you see any similairities between Gavilan's style and Loi's? I only say so because I think they are both anathema to brawlers, which seems interesting to me. You would need a near perfect brawler to trouble either of them. In fact, at the weight, maybe only Walker could do it.

    Whitaker is obviously of most interest to you. I think that he could, actually, keep Kid off with genius for big chunks of a match for the ages, BUT, he would tend to lose rounds where he failed to do so, without neccesarily winning the rounds where the opposite is true. Aggression should be scored.

    Griffith - interesting. You think Emile has a better chance to out muscle/punch Kid than Walker does? You SEEN the Scmeling fight (yes I know he wasn't a WW for that one)?
     
  14. McGrain

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    I love this. Lead left uppercuts, lead rights, lead left hooks, no guard against one of the biggest punchers at 175 - and the man's best weight is 147.
     
  15. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    I'm watching this footage and thinking of a comparison to make... keep in mind I have seen limited Burley but the guy I'm thinking is Roy Jones. The distance, reflexes, unorthodox lead punches. He doesn't seem to have the speed of foot, yet his head movement is better than Jones. I like his right hand to the body, perfectly placed and done only so often as to not be countered. This is impressive footage.

    There used to be a boxing show hosted by Johnny Ortiz until about 2003 in L.A... the guy was a nut for Burley.