History will judge Hopkins, Calzaghe, Tarver, and Johnson kindly

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Their stock will rise over the coming years take my word for it.

    Hopkins will generaly be regarded as the greatest middleweight of the postwar era after he retires. It will only take the dust to settle a bit.

    Calzaghe will be regarded as a great fighter who pulled the super middleweight division together and then beat the man at light heavyweight, before Hopkins dismantled Kelly Pavlik who is far from a finished story.

    Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson will be regarded more highly than they were in their own primes. Certainly more highly than the generation of light heavyweights that succeeds them.
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I agree completely. In the 1940's and 50's, there were many who did not think much of Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Joey Maxim, and a number of others. Today, however those guys are regarded rather highly to say the least.

    Hopkins, Jones and Calzaghe particularly will be appraised as all time greats. I don't know what will become of Antonio Tarver or Glen Johnson though..
     
  3. janitor

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  4. Matienza

    Matienza New Member Full Member

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    Using the same reasoning, I think in the future someone like Zsolt Erdei will be rated in higher esteem than he is at present.
     
  5. Mantequilla

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    We don't know how they will be rated 20-30 years from now.

    That's all that can be said really.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    Because he beat Gonzalez and got 2 gifts against Garay and never facing a ranked LHW again :lol:
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    Hopkins - will be ranked as high as Archie Moore, based on similar achievements

    Tarver will be reminded kindly - beat many ranked LHWs before JOnes, who he then beat twice, then beat Johnson and Woods

    Calazage - will become overrated if he retires undefeated, he isn't on Hopkins/Jones level, fighting old versions benefits him because he'd be stopped in their prime. People will forget all of his many ducks from 1997-2006

    Johnson - won't be rated that highly, they won't see that many of his losses were robberies. He came up second to Tarver too and got a gift in the first
     
  8. Loewe

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    I disagree with both. In the past those informations as Calzaghe´s poor pre-Lacy reign - very sad imo if he would have stepped up earlier he may have some losses on his record but he also whould have more wins worth something on his record, making him more proven and overall a greater fighter - and Johnson getted robbed time and again - no he did not get robbed against Ottke - will not be forgotten in a time were every information is there to grab for somebody who wants it.

    I´d add to the lot the before named Ottke and DM as the continental European equivalents to the others.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    The classic power puncher analysis - Whenever a guy who I don't like wins, it was a robbery.
     
  10. TommyV

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    Erdei is a skilled guy. He's more than capable of mixing with the top light heavies if he got the **** out of Germany once in a while.
     
  11. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    Not anymore, his skills diminished thanks to fighting less than mediocre opponents.
     
  12. PowerPuncher

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    So you saw the Garay fights, Erdei's own crowd boo'ed the decisions, it wasn't close
     
  13. mr. magoo

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    It doesn't matter. Your answer would be the same with any fight where you didn't like the outcome.

    Robbery....

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  14. Loewe

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    Yeah just like Johnson got robbed against Ottke :lol:
     
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I rather doubt it.

    You dont build a reputation against oposition like that however kindly history looks on your era.