History's most disgraceful fighter

Good/Evil... is that you Mr Bush?

There is no such thing my friend, in reality good and evil are works of fiction. It is purely personal perception, the Allies were fighting the good fight, but so were the Axis. It is just the victors get to write the story of the war.

 

Including Bill Clinton who didnt go?

 

I don't know if his name has already been mentioned on this thread, but Trevor Berbick was no sweetheart outside the ring.

He did everything from domestic abuse to ****, drugs, and numerous other things. He was killed about this time last year in his home town in Jamaica. He was found dead with multiple head injuries. I don't know how it happened or if they ever found his killer(s), but I'm guessing that his lifestyle and way with people didn't help.

 

I'm not going to try and defend the Iraq war, since I opposed it LONG before doing so became commonplace. As someone who marched the streets in protest against it before it took place, I think I've earnt at least that.

One can't judge actions of people in the past by their consequnce, because that's reading history backwards. Kennedy and Johnson didn't KNOW that the American people would be too weak to keep the war up and that the generals would be too incompetant. They did, however, know that a North Vietnamese victory meant the domino effect taking place.

I think all we can conclude from this is the somewhat obvious conclusion: some white people are good, some are dicks; some black people are good, some are dicks.

The Vietnam war DID have a clear purpose, and it's the forgetting of this purpose that I think is the main symptom of "Vietnam guilt". The baby-boomer generation got really guilty after the mid-1970s, when they realised what they'd done to America and the world. The natural reaction was to undermine the war itself, which is why Vietnam movies were so successful: they told the draft-dodgers what they wanted to hear, and told those who answered the call that their failure meant nothing. America as a whole could be absolved of all guilt by claiming the war was pointless anyway.

The war was one of the defense of the South Vietnamese- America's ALLIES- from a communist invasion. There was further justification, ridiculed at the time but proven in hindsight, through the theory of the domino effect. This was justified, because the communist victory DID result in the rise of the Khmer Rouge, the Pathet Lao and the puppet regime in Cambodia after 1979. To this day, the Lao and the Vietnamese live under oppressive and corrupt Marxist dictators. The war also encouraged Soviet imperialism in Angola, Ethiopia and Afghanistan.

Not only did the war in Vietnam have a point, it's point was proven by history. Why is this point forgotten? Vietnam guilt.

While I don't totally agree with you here, I agree on the most salient point: one has to be consistent and recognise goodness. Ali was, despite his disgraceful actions, a good person overall. I don't think George Bush can lay claim to that title.

 

it was his nephew.he'd buried a machete in his head.

 

As Charlton Heston said in "Will Penny" after his opponent protested he had hit him on the head with a cast iron frying pan "youre the one thats down".

 

Sure, though I'd be more offended by his widening of the rich-poor gap and generally corporatist time as President if I were an American. The fact that Clinton's time in office is seen as a golden age these days just goes to show how bad things have gotten in the last 7 years for the USA.

 

Well your on a roll at the moment ,with the footie and the rugby!

 

Everyone likes winning. Winning is even more fun if you don't do it often, like us.

 

That's pretty damn brutal. Was it ever made known as to what prompted his nephew to do this?

 

i think it's still ongoing.

 

Tyson biting off holyfields ear was pretty damn disgraceful.

 

I think it was an argument over land or something.

 

Land dispute as far as I know.