holding in boxing: strategy or cheating

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  1. T.S.

    T.S. T.Stout Full Member

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  2. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Depends on how it's used. Fighters who have **** stamina and are just holding and slow dancing because they can't go a full 12 or fighters who are holding constantly are a little hard to watch and it can be frustrating.

    Fighters who use is when they need to are implementing a strategy.
     
  3. bachatu

    bachatu Pro Full Member

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    I guess this brings up another question. So why don't more boxers hold? There are some successful boxers who don't employ that into their game. Can we say those who tend to use holding as part of their regular strategy are doing so to compensate for other areas they may lack, whether it be speed, power or athletic ability.
     
  4. sitiyzal

    sitiyzal ................. Full Member

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    A fighter can clinch as often as he wants, as long as he breaks when told to by the ref and is actually trying to fight when he's not initiating a clinch.
     
  5. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It could be a variable of reasons:

    1- A lot of guys don't even consider it. They're either trying to throw punches

    2- Machismo and bravado prevents them from clinching.

    3- A lot of fighters don't know how to accurately tie up.
     
  6. Leeroy

    Leeroy Do it Do it Full Member

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    It can be boring at times, from the fans perspective, but it is strategy. Clinching is what Cotto should have done in his fight with Margarito.
     
  7. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    cheating, and we would be a lot better off if refs were stricter about it. No John Ruiz, for example.
     
  8. Gerard

    Gerard Active Member Full Member

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    Clinching when you are hurt is one thing and can be justified.

    But holding and leaning to sap energy from the opponent while you still are fresh is just wrong. When a taller fighter holds and leans on the smaller opponent, then I feel the smaller opponent has the rights to hit the leaning cheater in the nuts as a penalty.

    Lewis and Wlad Klitschko would not have any balls left if this rule would be applied.
     
  9. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is part of the game,Holyfields use of holding and spinning Tyson was brilliant
     
  10. splasher25

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    Henry Akinwande got DQ for excessive holding against Lennox Lewis in 97. :good
     
  11. M.I.G.

    M.I.G. and STILL... Full Member

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    Cotto was asked, after the mosley fight with Margo if he would clinch in a rematch because it was so effective for SSM- he said no. He said that he learned to fight using only his fists and that holding has never been a part of his game and that he did not plan on adding it to his strategies.

    Personally, I'm against holding. If a fighter is hurt, whatever, he can do what he has to Do to survive. No disrespect to the boxers who use it as a strategy, it's the refs who need to step it up and penalize them for doing it so much. As long as they're getting away with it, they'll keep doing it and it's not fair to true inside fighters.
     
  12. splasher25

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    Holyfield also love holding/clinching so he could use that famous head butt! :rofl
     
  13. Leeroy

    Leeroy Do it Do it Full Member

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    Yeah I read that too. That is commendable; it shows what kind of fighter Cotto is. He's basically saying win or lose, he will not hold (I've noticed Cotto hates it when he gets tied up, to the point of getting frustrated at times). How can you not respect that?

    Still, for winnings sake, I wish he would implement clinching into his strategy.....like his fight with Margarito for example.

    My personal feeling is: I would rather not see holding during a boxing match. A little holding is fine, but obsessive clinching is admittedly boring as ****...............but its always been a part of boxing, and always will be.

    John Ruiz type holding......**** that. That should be illegal. :lol:
     
  14. Landshark

    Landshark Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :nono not at times, more like full time:thumbsup
     
  15. Club Fighter

    Club Fighter Boxing Addict banned

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    I was always told that one man intentionally holding another man is ****** ****. No more to it.