Holman Williams vs Floyd Mayweather jr.

It is a different sport now. Back then you were on the road and had to fight often, wether you were injured, sick or not at your best. Nowadays you are guided by a team to reach a single peak on a single night to do your absolute best.

When it is common to fight at less then your best often, it is probable that you'll pick up losses since form and health are a variable.

What if you were a brilliant boxer but brittle and quick to injury? You could have a fine career today but back then you'd probably be off and on.

That's why records like Greb's and Robinson are so special. They had such an edge over the competition that they withstood the many more variables of the era.

 

Awesome.. I would have really like to have talked to your great uncle...Would it be fair to say that both Mayweather and Williams share that Michigan boxing lineage? I think it would...add the 'Hitman' to the list too.

 

Mayweather unanimous decision

 

i don't think anyone from that era would outsmart floyd.

 

NONSENSE. Ya ever hear of a chap named Willie Pep who had about 200 bouts in a row winning all except a controversial decision to a bigger man named Sammy [Clutch] Angott ???...
I saw Willie fight in his prime, and in about his first THREE years Pep had more bouts than Mayweather had in his lifetime...
Do you sir think that if Mayweather fought about every 12 days or so in the 1940s he would be unbeaten ? .NAY I say.
Why a prime Henry Armstrong would terrorize Mayweather both at their bests...Plus he would have avoided Ray Robinson like the plague. And to pay $100 to watch him on tv is ludicrous...

 

QUOTE=Eastpaw;17089132]i don't think anyone from that era would outsmart floyd.[/QUOTE]

Did you see the fight last night? Floyd was jabbing with all his weight on his left foot. He was throwing right hands that came up a foot short. Count the times his own actions left him off balance, or the times he wasn't able to counter because his 'defensive genius' left him out of position.
Great fighters don't fight like that.

 

what exactly does pep do that's better than floyd when you watch him? besides his record, what else is there? i base my speculations on what i can see, not names on a resume or what i read about them from boxing experts. i think floyd would have beaten pep and he would have beaten armstrong even worst. the guy fought with his head down and threw one looping punch at a time, and his footwork wasn't fast. i think pacquiao is better than armstrong. he might not be greater on a p4p basis but based on film pacquiao has faster feet, hands, and he hits a lot harder than armstrong.

 

Did you see the fight last night? Floyd was jabbing with all his weight on his left foot. He was throwing right hands that came up a foot short. Count the times his own actions left him off balance, or the times he wasn't able to counter because his 'defensive genius' left him out of position.
Great fighters don't fight like that.[/QUOTE]

what fight were you watching? pacquiao didn't try to maul him because of floyd's counter hooks, counter check hooks, counter rights, counter lefts, and he was using the pull counter against manny. those counters are the reasons why i think floyd is one of the absolute best technical fighters of all time.

 

Oh sir I didn't mean to offend you by mentioning Willie Pep, after all in your infinite wisdom YOU can only laud fighters that you have ONLY SEEN...Please except my apology thinking that this forum is called CLASSIC BOXING and not CURRENT boxing...
So we shall from now on put an asterisk on all fighters that YOU have not seen...Ya feel better ? Well I HAVE seen Willie Pep in his prime. Willie at his best fought every 2 weeks or so against every one everywhere. He was called "Will of the Wisp" for a reason sir.
He didn't wait 5 long years to fight a DECLINING Pacquiano...
Willie avoided no one in his prime, but of course this doesn't matter cause he was before tv...Oh well , my post will fall on deaf ears, so what's the use ???.

 

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To remind everyone, for example, that Ray Robinson (who had 130 wins and 1 defeat) when he lost to Turpin - it was Robinson's 5th fight in a month!

Does anyone believe that if Floyd doesn't have 12 weeks to prepare for every opponent and has to fight every 2 weeks, has no videotype to learn his opponents for weeks of preparation in long training camps? Does anyone believe that in that case Floyd with 160 or so bouts would've remained undefeated:-(

I think in that era Floyd's record would be like 140-15-5 with 45 KOs of smth like that.

 

willie pep does have film. and what does the fact that he fought several times a year have anything to do with a head to head matchup between the two.

 

What I wouldn't give to see a fantasy fight between the part time fighter Floyd Mayweather against the most exciting fighter I ever saw ringside, a chap by the name of Beau Jack, when Beau was at his best !!! WOW. Beau Jack I saw MANY times selling out MSG, threw hooks, crosses, uppercuts, bolo punches, triple jabs etc, for the full 15 rounds if necessary, giving his opponent nada rest in between...He would swarm over the purely defensive
Mayweather like a swarm of bees for 3 minutes of the round, .. At 135 pounds
lightweights... Ike Williams would if "uncuffed" most likely hurt FM and possibly stop him with his truly vicious combinations just a shade below the greatest fighter I ever saw at WW, the immortal Sugar Ray Robinson...
And the Henry Armstrong who I saw several times PAST his prime, at his BEST when he was the scourge of the FW, and LW division, would have worn
Mayweather to a frazzle with his non-stop bombardment...
Another thing... do you think that the Floyd Mayweather of this era, fighting 2 times or so a year, would have been as nearly successful with the stress and energy expended fighting 15 or more times a year against the pool of great fighters of the 1940s and 1950s...? A resounding hell NO I say...
Floyd is a big fish in today's stream of fighters. Beau Jack, Ike Williams, Henry Armstrong and SRR were big fish dominating swarms of sharks in an ocean...