Holmes-Ali - is it a little underrated of a win

Fair call bud.

 

It was as pathetic a win as Marciano/Louis ... both men beat up on heavy bags ..

 

Thanks for the pic!

Glad to hear the champ's doing great.

In my view, this Holmes win should not be used to build up his record.

a) Ali was impaired by the Thyrolar.

b) Ali was ill with early Parkinson's Syndrome.

c) Ali himself was not convinced it was the end. It took losing to Berbick to do that. Because he knew he wasn't himself against Holmes.

But kudos to Holmes for finding the right balance between humaneness and enough fight to whip the old (ill) lion.

 

I disagree completely.

For me, Duran-Moore was someone with a vast, vast reservoir of boxing skills, tricks, knowledge and experience vs someone with a few relatively easy fights behind him.

Duran was operating on a plain that Moore couldn't comprehend at that stage. There were some really slick, clever moves on show in that fight. Duran wasn't just overpowering him or clubbing him to defeat, he was schooling him in every conceivable way that a boxer can be schooled. I don't see where you're coming from at all, implying that Duran just came out like a wild-eyed savage and laid a street beating on him. Watch the fight. That isn't what happens, not even close.

 

I honestly think this is the most stupid and ill-informed thread I've ever seen on the Classic, by the way. I bet Holmes himself is embarrassed and regretful that this fight even took place now. Shame PowerPuncher doesn't have his sensibilities.

 

Thinking some more about this,Holmes would have gained a lot of respect if he'd turned down Muhammad's challenge. Ali being the master publicist that he was,would have accused Holmes of being scared,but Holmes could have countered this by saying something like "If Ali thinks that he still has enough left to beat me,he must feel that he can beat anyone out there. I'll cut him a deal. If he takes on a top contender and wins,then I'll give Ali a shot...." That would have put the ball firmly back in Muhammad's court. I guess that the almighty buck spoke the loudest,though.

 

you dont think larry tried to take him out?...a regular fighter in that 9th round would have went down for the count from the beating that ali took on the ropes...in the end all ali had left was chin which of course would be his downfall

the only thing significant about this fight was the fact the lineal distinction was passed to larry making him the man at heavyweight

 

I wouldn't give Holmes a huge amount of credit for the win or say it was an underrated win. Holmes went in there and did what he had to do and it wasn't his fault Ali was weakened by Thyolar or in the early stages of Parkinsons when they fought. But at the same time it is because of those factors that Ali couldnt put up a competitive effort that fight and shouldnt be considered a great win for Holmes.

 

The application of knowledge attained on the streets was a conclusion widely arrived at by ringside pundits, television commentators and analysts of the time. Duran himself would be best qualified to answer that one though. (For whatever reason, this was never among my favorite fights of his. I figured it as a mismatch from the outset, and wasn't surprised by the outcome.)

 

Would've been nice, but not very realistic, I'm afraid.

Ali was a living legend. The thinking really was, "If Ali says a mosquito can pull a plow, don't argue. Hitch him up!" He was Ali! You know? Ali!

He thus had the prerogative of emerging from retirement and immediately challenging for the title.

Sadly, no one would have taken Holmes seriously.

 

Muhammed was shot.It's that simple.I like and respect Larry,but all the fight did was make money for them and reinforce how shot Ali was.

 

I don't think Foreman is even working with the grill anymore. The company that manufactured the grill bought Foreman out many years ago for mega-millions. They get to use his likeness, but Foreman I believe has no connection to the grill anymore. Regardless, Foreman doesn't appear to be overly heavy in the recent pic's I've seen of him.

 

Compare this Holmes to the one that fought Ken Norton for the title. That Holmes looks like a light heavyweight compared to current Larry.

 

Holmes also had the same 'right' when HE came out of retirement to fight Tyson. The only way that Tyson-Holmes was less sad than Holmes-Ali was that it did n't last so long. No retired fighter who's been inactive for more than a year should be allowed an automatic title shot. And I include Sugar Ray Leonard in this too. That was a definite one off. Could easily have been a tragedy though.

 

As the subject was somewhat changed, Holmes wasn't ready for Tyson that quickly.
Holmes just didn't want to pass up the quick payday.