Holmes Or Foreman -Whom Do You Rate Higher?

Douglas beat a better fighter than Foreman and Holmes…

 

It is like that

 

Irrelevant - Foreman lost in his prime to Jimmy Young this is a fact lol.

 

Not a fact. That is a subjective opinion, & one poorly supported by the data.

An example of a fact: In a thirty year career, Holmes did not defeat a single great opponent.

 

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No it’s a fact he lost in his prime years it ain’t that painful to accept… you’re wrong however all due respect it isn’t a fact lol as it’s well actually subjective. I also really don’t care, I can watch Holmes and see he’d beat Foreman - I make my judgements on the basis of what happens in the ring - I do not decide the outcome of make believe fights based on the forum greatness we sprinkle on a few under the supervision of Bert Sugars ghost… that just doesn’t concern me. Foreman beat A “great” a shot, one eyed, 5ft10 cruiserweight lol one who would be steam rolled (with all due respect) by tons of guys, In his prime years he got beaten with ease by Ali, beaten with ease by Jimmy Young JIMMY YOUNG and went life and death with Lyle who beat a contender? Or something.

 

There is no opinion who was better, they were both great. On Monday Foreman was better for me, on Tuesday I see more for Holmes. These are different careers, very different. There are many arguments for both. Larry more complete, versatile, consistent, George more dominant. George conquered higher peaks and Larry more of the lower ones, George stumbled on the lower ones and Holmes climbed them for a long time, a really difficult and subjective comparison.

Nevertheless, arguments of this type irritate me - prime Foreman lost decisively to Young... Kurwa, Georga lost in the first period to two truly outstanding boxers - the great Ali and the underrated Young. Both were style nightmares for Georg and both fights took place in unfavorable circumstances for him. Is every fighter a robot that he has to be in great shape all the time, has no bad days, doesn't make mistakes before or during the fight? Foreman dominated 2 ATG in a truly impressive way. This has to be appreciated. For me, they are both more or less on the same level, but if I were to throw a coin, it would hit George.

 

Holmes, both resume-wise and H2H.

 

Holmes.

 

I wouldn't worry about it. There are a few people who get really angry if you disagree about rankings or fantasy fights. I don't think normal people care. Rank fighters however you think makes sense. Foreman himself certainly does ranking lists his own way:

https://www.georgeforeman.com/pages/ring-greatest-champions

 

Nice to see you posting again we need some of them unique threads again in the classic section from you.

 

Thank you! I just pop in occasionally when I have a bit to spare. Life tends to intervene.

"Unique" threads is a very kind way of describing what I post.

 

“Ali was so fast and had so much courage. It just made him (Liston) fall apart.” This wouldn’t hold here despite coming from his own pupil, his top ten champions list good IMO I agree with a fair bit of it, I’d have dropped Foster IMO.

 

I might take a prime Foreman over a prime Holmes (but it'd be close to a 50/50) and I'd take Foreman's comeback heights over Larry's, but it would be a hard argument and a dumb one to claim that Foreman approached anything near Holmes' professionalism or consistency over his career though.

I think I'd lean toward Holmes.

 

Holmes easily

 

Holmes had 20 titles defenses of the HW crown over a 7 year reign. Had better longevity through his career and would have beat Foreman from Zaire IMO. Holmes was a bad man.