Holmes vs. Foreman 1999: War of the Great Jabs?

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  1. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    NoNeck inspired me to start this topic. Due to George's splendid jabbing display in the Briggs fight, I always wondered if that fumbled late 90s match up with Holmes would have been a war between two great jabbers. Though I place Holmes and Liston at the head of the ATG heavyweight jab class, Foreman is definitely in my top 5, and he was using it more (and quite effectively) in his last bouts.

    What are your thoughts on this unfortunately foiled-before-it-started fight?
     
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  2. Stiches Yarn

    Stiches Yarn Active Member Full Member

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    1999 Holmes could still move and this Foreman couldn't cut the ring off like he used to in the his younger years . Foreman could still take the punishment but wouldn't batter down Larry since he would be too slow to make an all out assault on him in the early frames.
    Larry with the little speed he has left outpoints George.
     
  3. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Yes I agree with the above. Holmes does enough to get him the decision. George never really looks in trouble but loses most rounds.
     
  4. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I read that George's wife talked him out of the fight, reason being that she (and perhaps George, too) felt that George would end up looking bad against Larry. I think George wanted to go out having looked very good in his fight against Briggs (despite being despicably robbed), rather than possibly get made a fool out of.

    There's also talk that Holmes stood to gain one heck of a lot more beating Foreman (even if he had a hugely lesser paycheck) than Foreman did beating Holmes.
     
  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Foreman did not avoid Holmes. The reason the fight did not happen was because the promoter was unable to meet the financial demands of either fighter ($10 million) and only managed to obtain (a non-refundable) $1 million.
     
  6. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was really disappointed that this fight didn't happen when it almost did. As for the outcome my heart says Foreman, my head says Holmes.
     
  7. steve1990

    steve1990 Active Member Full Member

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    I think Holmes probably gasses out late then Foreman catches him and stops him. This fight really should have happened in the early to mid 90's. Not 1999
     
  8. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    That was my understanding as well. They never secured George's guarantee.
     
  9. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    It should’ve happened in the late 70s!
     
  10. steve1990

    steve1990 Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with that. Just saying if it were to happen in the 1990's 99 would have been the worst time to happen. Both men skills were really gone by then.
     
  11. JWSoats

    JWSoats Active Member Full Member

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    In 1999 I would have to go with Larry Holmes to win a decision. I think Larry was moving better at that time and his moves and speed would have given him the edge. Had the fight taken place in the early 1990s I would pick George. And I agree that it is most regrettable that the fight never took place. It is odd that even though both fighters were born in 1949 their respective careers unfolded in such a way that the window of opportunity for them to have met in the '70s was a very narrow one and the best opportunity would have been in the 90s when both were in their 40s.
     
  12. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    That was the media's feeble claim, but we all know the media produces fairy tales 90% of the time. But no, I don't think Foreman ducked Holmes. They could still fight each other on Triller, if Foreman isn't afraid of visiting Larryland!!
     
  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    What would it be billed as? Better late than never? Life starts at 50?
     
  14. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even though George and Larry were born in the same year,Larry's pro career did n't start until four years after George's did. By the time Holmes had his pro debut,Foreman had just beaten Joe Frazier to become champion. So in spite of being the same age,they were both in different generations of heavies,really.
     
  15. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seems strange couldn't make a deal , that fight would have garnered a lot of attention even in 1999
     
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