"Holmes VS. Foreman" in 1999? What was suppose to be.?.?

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  1. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Foreman just marketed himself a whole lot better the second time around. Foreman found the fountain of Charisma; that's something that good Ol' Larry Holmes lacked... However, BOTH guys are / were great champions...... I just think Holmes had more skill, while Foreman had the power.....:rasta

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  2. Charles White

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    Not a chance.
     
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  3. Charles White

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    I agree that this fight in 1999 would be less entertaining (still entertaining though). I would much rather see this fight in the early 90's, such as 91 or 92.
     
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  4. Bill1234

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    It would solve Larry's moaning about Foreman though. Most of his talk about Foreman involves him not fighting him. I do agree that in 1999 it wouldn't have been nearly as good as in 1992 or mid 1977.
     
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  5. AnthonyJ74

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    Holmes has always been just a tad bit jealous of the comebacking Foreman's success and riches. The fight would have meant more to Holmes than to Foreman. Larry has ducked his fair share of fighters over the years - as has Foreman - but he always tries to make it sound like Foreman is a special case. Like Foreman not fighting Holmes was some big, giant sin!
     
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  6. MRBILL

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    In a way it IS a sin....... "Holmes & Foreman" come from the same era... The fans were up for it in 1992, '93, '94 & 1995..... Hell, it was still viable in 1999, but not worth what George Foreman had originally thought.... Larry Holmes saw the light and was willing to cut his proposed 4 million dollar purse down to 2.5 million... Meanwhile, George Foreman was unreasonable, and unwilling to budge from his proposed 10 million dollar take.... G.F. did get a respectable 6 million dollar comeback offer, but George balked / backed-out all the way....:fire

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  7. fists of fury

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    In '99 it would barely garner any interest I do agree there, but say late '93 or somewhere in '94?

    I think it would have been a big fight. Foreman was a media darling and had considerable drawing power at this point still, and Holmes' defiant stand against Holyfield wouls still be fresh in peoples' minds. (As would Foreman's, for that matter.)

    IN terms of legacy it would mean nothing, but funnily enough I think the public would have definitely been very interested in this fight before '95 or so.
     
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  8. Bill1234

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    He does dwell on it too much, but it as was stated, in a way, it was a sin to boxing that the fight never took place. In 1992 (late 1992) the fight would have been massive. Both of them gave a prime Holyfield hell, and they were both the same age, and it was very marketable at the time.
     
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  9. MRBILL

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    I'm nutty enough to accept them guys fighting each other here today in 2008. As long as both Larry & George train for three months in a serious manner and weigh between 245 to 260 pounds, I'll buy into it... None of this 60 year old and 285 to 300 pound crap like they look like right now....:tong

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    MRBILL, Oct 30, 2008
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  10. Charles White

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    Yeah Im down with that. Can't speculate on Foreman's weight, but he keeps himself active and in fairly decent shape for his age. Holmes has said that if he were to fight Foreman today, he would come in at a reasonable 250 lbs. Much heavier that Holmes is used to, but for his age, not bad.
     
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  11. MRBILL

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    Holmes was 250 for "Bonecrusher" Smith in 1999 and 254 for Butterbean in 2002. Yes, Holmes was hefty, but still capable... Holmes was 236 for McCall in 1995.....

    George Foreman was 260 for Shannon Briggs in 1997...:deal

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    MRBILL, Oct 30, 2008
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  12. Bill1234

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    Larry walks around now at around 275, so I don't think losing 20-25lbs would be big deal if he was given 3-5 months.
     
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  13. janitor

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    I look at it another way.

    With every year that went by from Foremans peak onward, the ballance of probability shifted further towards Holmes winning.
     
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  14. MRBILL

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    I have no doubt that both Larry and George could lose the excess weight they're carrying in a 3 to 5 month training span... If they get serious, they could make the weights of 245 to 260 with ease... That ain't asking too much from them two old farts....:shock:

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  15. Charles White

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    Holmes will always be capable.
     
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