"Holmes VS. Foreman" in 1999? What was suppose to be.?.?

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  1. Charles White

    Charles White Chucker Full Member

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    :lol: Agreed.
     
  2. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Foreman doesn't look all that heavy these days. I would almost bet that Holmes probably outweighs him now. And Foreman appears to have a bad knee or something - judging by how he sometimes seems to limp a little when they show him on his reality tv show.
     
  3. AnthonyJ74

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    From a physiological standpoint, there's really no reason Holmes shouldn't be able to get down to at least the Oliver McCall weight of 236. I mean, at 236 Holmes was still a good 25 pounds over his peak weight. Of course age plays a factor, but I think lackadaisical training/eating habits are the biggest culprit.
     
  4. Calroid

    Calroid Active Member Full Member

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    In 1999 Holmes would have completely outboxed Foreman and won via an easy UD.
     
  5. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, extremely late in their careers fighters like Axel Schulz were handily outboxing Foreman.

    Holmes is always going to outbox comeback George in my opinion.
     
  6. AnthonyJ74

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    I used to think that, but I'm not so sure nowadays. Looking back, it seemed to me that Foreman retained more of his natural strengths than did Holmes. Judging by how Foreman looked in his last two fights against Savarese and Briggs, I think Foreman would have been a tough fight for Holmes. Holmes' lack of speed and quickness was a bigger hindrance to him than it was for Foreman.

    I don't think Holmes would have been able to outbox and stay away from George for an entire fight had they fought back in '99. George was more durable, stronger, and I bet his stamina was better as well. Plus, his jab was probably better than Larry's was at that point. I guess what I'm saying is that George just seemed to age better and retain more of his skill into late age......
     
  7. mr. magoo

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    Finally, a post about Foreman and Holmes that we can agree on.

    I will say however, that as strong as Foreman was in the late 90's, his power seemed to have diminished quite a bit. No longer was he smoking fighters inside of 4 or 5 rounds, but rather he was being taken the distance quite often, and even losing here and there. I think he actually lost quite a bit of snap by that point, and that was by 1997, let alone what he might have looked like in 99.

    Nevertheless, I agree that Foreman would have had my vote to win the battle of the ancients, and for many of the same reasons that you provided.
     
  8. AnthonyJ74

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    Yeah, I agree that Foreman was no longer a huge power puncher by the late 90's. In fact, I don't think Foreman was the big bone-breaking puncher that he was made out to be during his comeback at all. He was big and strong, and he could hit hard, but I think his power was overrated during his comeback, especially towards the end.

    I don't Foreman would score a kayo over Holmes. If they had fought in '99, I think the fight would have been close, and I would probably favor Foreman by a close decision.
     
  9. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    George Foreman really struggled hard with his last four opponents. Foreman's power went south after the '94 KO over Moorer...

    MR.BILL

    EXTRA:

    I didn't like Foreman's soft 260 for Briggs in 1997....
     
  10. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Larry is still in good shape. He would runs 3 miles on the tread mill when he's in the gym. He is walking around at around 275, if I had to take a guess, I would say Foreman is around 290 again.
     
  11. Calroid

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    Agreed!
     
  12. Bigcat

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    The complete ins and outs of the situation was , Roger (man of straw) Levitt was attempting to promote the event with limited funds and a lot of bravado.. He supposedly promised George a Million Dollars, and Larry around 400,000 , but as the days went by and the event seemed very real, pressure to produce made Levitt get cold feet and the promotion collapsed..

    Levitts cheques weren't worth the paper they were written on. I do have opinions on he fight , I say George was always wary of Larrys skills even as an old man, Lerry had a great chin and reccouperative powers and may have been a bit too cute for George , and i do think George knew it...
     
  13. mantle11x19

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    George By Death!! D-Rosi
     
  14. mantle11x19

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    George By Death. D-Rosi.
     
  15. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    WTF?