Holmes vs Holyfield

Definitely Tyson was on some different juice in 1995.
Never before or since did he look the same as he did in the Peter McNeeley, which came 3 or 4 months after he emerged from jail looking a bit skinny.

I'm not saying he wasn't on steroids before or after that, but he was on something different for that time.

Of course, he was a genetic freak, no question about that. And, yes, some guys are just massive and strong naturally. But I don't see any reason why Tyson would not have been using steroids, esp. later on as his career progressed and he lost his mental edge and work ethic.
Even earlier on, in the Cus D'amato days, they might have had him on something. These guys were obssessed with being the best, and 'roids were rife in the 1970s and 80s and no one cared much about what injections fighters were taking.

Painkillers, vitamin jabs, steroids, stimulants ... it wasn't uncommon to get a doctor to shoot a fighter up with something to pep him up a bit and keep him strong and stop him from getting broken down in training.
This was fairly normal procedure in the 60s, 70s, 80s.

 

Steroids are widespread at the top level in sports,and you'd have to be fooling yourself to think otherwise.


Hell,it wouldn't surprise me if Holyfield and Tyson met up during the the build-up of their two fights and took turns in shooting one another up the arse(you can interpret that in whatever way you choose.)



May the best juicer win and all that.

 

Good post, an people think steroids just became big in the 80's. Its been going on for decades before that

 

This fight just proves that a prime Larry Holmes would have had no problem with evander Holyfield.

 

They should make that into a film, someone get Ang Lee on the line!

 

:good, i think there are eras before the 70's that are way way better than the 90's the 90's was a big pool of talent but they were never really as good as previous era fighters, they didn't have that one extra thing

 

Here's a good video of the highlights of the fight.

Holmes had more good moments later on than I remembered.

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can't say i agree. it's 50/50 for my money

 

Yeah, it's hard to say. If Holmes had been younger and quicker, he would have opened up more and taken more chances, thus making him more prone to Evander's offense. In '92, Holmes fought a strictly defensive fight, and it's hard to look good against and definitely knock out a guy who is hell bent on going the distance.

 

Holmes came alive in the 11th round and actually landed some hurtful right hands on Evander. But considering how much time he spent lying on the ropes and doing nothing earlier in the fight, Holmes should have had a lot of gas left in the 11th and 12th rounds!

 

Let's not forget he was 43 years old in this fight. It's impressive as it is that he gave a prime Holyfield so many problems and managed to have numerous good moments and win some rounds.

 

Posts like this from the good Unforgiven illustrate why Mike Tyson must be considered the last of the great, clean heavyweight champions.

Anyone who says Evander Holyfield did what he did as a clean athlete is simply disingenuous. And I am here to say the same goes for men such as Lennox Lewis and the Klitschkos; yeah, yeah, regardless of their supposed history of clean testing.

Steroids were available in the '70s, but basically limited to bodybuilding and NFL football. Generations of boxing trainers discouraged bulking up. But, during the late '80s, consolidated knowledge finally made such thinking obsolete. Over the 12-round championship distance, performance enhancers work!

Just like baseball's Barry Bonds or cycling's Lance Armstrong, great natural athletes who in old age suddenly grew bald and pimpled, and/or developed unprecedented stamina and power, and/or grew bigger heads and huge muscles and, strangely, became better than they were as young men, you've got modern successful champions like Lennox Lewis, Evan Fields, Roy Jones, and the Klitschkos, who strangely defied age, became more and more muscular and more and more successful and able in their 30s and even 40s than in their 20s.

From the local card to the world championship, the immensely muscled heavyweight has become the norm. The 230-pound staple has made the 190-pound heavyweight extinct. But--with practically every minor champion of the last 20 years, from Tommy Morrison to David Haye (possible exceptions are Douglas and Bowe)--it has not been a clean process.

Frankly, with PEs readily available at any local gym anywhere in the world, any professional heavyweight who does not do PEs is foolish. He is at a clear disadvantage. But there is hardly any such heavyweight today.

Fine. You can't stop "progress".

Anyone who knows an iota about his beginnings has no doubt that Mike Tyson was a natural phenomenon as a young champion. Anyone who knows an iota about boxing can see the difference between a natural phenom pre-prison and, yes, a probably 'roided, most definitely weight-trained inferior version post-prison. Historically, from Johnson to Louis to Ali to Tyson, a genetically blessed heavyweight will weigh anywhere from 200 to 215 pounds and kick ass in any era. Modern behemoths are good for their time, but, let's cut the malarkey and recognize them for the PE products they are.

Of course, PE use in boxing today is hardly limited to the heavyweight division.

And clean Holmes still schools and beats Evan Fields.

 

Holmes was wayyy past prime when he fought Holy. Prime Larry would have no need to rest on the ropes. He would stay mid ring establishing his jab, moving at distance and smothering Holy in close. Over 15 rounds Larry wins 9 solid rounds to win a U decision.

 

got no reason to believe a fighter is juicing unless he tests positive

burden of proof is on the accusor and all that