Holmes vs Lewis

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  1. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Two of your examples are when Holmes is 40+. With one of them being when Holmes was almost 50 vs Harris. So no I don't really see the relevance. And Holmes got up and hammered Snipes in the same round after he got knocked down.

    Lewis got KO'ed twice in his prime that is relevant. Yes Lewis certainly didn't have a weak chin. But it certainly wasn't impenetrable either.

    If you want to talk about Holmes getting hurt in his 40s, how about Lewis getting hurt by Mavrovic in 7th round, or wobbled and hurt against Shannon Briggs in the first round of their fight ?
     
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    I can’t see Holmes penetrating Lewis’ chin.
     
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    No I'm not saying he necessarily would, but the poster above was using examples of when Holmes was 40+ and almost 50 on judging his chin are not good examples.

    Holmes in his prime did get floored and hurt yes, but he always quickly recovered. And I don't see Lewis getting up from the same right hand from Shavers.

    But i don't think personally Holmes would stop Lewis, but I see Holmes winning a decision. Holmes for me as the better jab and his stamina would be the difference in my opinion.
     
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    Lewis was a better finisher than Snipes and Shavers though. Tyson stopped Holmes because he was a first rate finisher, not because Holmes had never been punched that hard.
     
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    I agree but me personally I don't see either man getting stopped. Although I could see Holmes definitely getting dropped by Lewis. But do you think Holmes could get Lewis's respect with the right hand ? Holmes is not devastating puncher, but his right hand was pretty formidable.
     
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    I don’t see a knockout and I think Lewis would fight tactically. But considering that Holmes had close fights with basically every decent boxer he fought and lost two of them (in the 80s), I’d expect Lewis to win. Lewis was also dangerous to get a stoppage in the right situation.
     
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    Were agree to disagree but you made some good valid points.
     
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    Very good fight but Holmes would win
     
  9. doopapoopy

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    Renaldo Snipes isn't a big puncher period. Larry Holmes also got knocked down by 188 Kevin Isaac but watch you find some way to spend it in your favor.

    Shannon Briggs is a hard puncher so getting so called "wobbled by a punch to the back of the head" is a problem but Holmes being knocked down by Snipes a guy who isn't a big puncher and Isaac a guy who weighs 188 pounds if okay with you.
     
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    I think you already know that sometimes it's not how big a puncher is, it's whether you see the shot coming or not. Holmes himself said he never saw the shot coming.
     
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    I'm not trying to spin anything you're just going round the houses, you've gone from mentioning Holmes being hurt in his 40s to late 40s. To now mentioning Holmes being floored in his first year as a professional. In a fight where i don't even know if the footage even exists online. Why not just go the whole hog and mention Holmes being stopped by Duane Bobick in Olympic trials.

    Like i don't get what you want me to say, could Holmes be hurt ? yes this is Heavyweight boxing. Even the great Muhammad Ali early in his career was knocked silly by Henry Cooper. But normally Holmes's chin was pretty sturdy and his recuperative powers were pretty good, and anytime he was hurt or floored in his "Prime" key word prime here were talking about. He recovered from all them instances, were as Lewis didn't he was KO'ed twice in his prime, and i wouldn't really consider McCall a big puncher either. But McCall caught Lewis with a perfect punch he didn't see coming just like Snipes/Holmes.

    But all this is a moot point, because i never said Holmes would stop Lewis. I just thought your comment mentioning Harris, Mercer, fights as relevance to a mythical match up to two fighters in their prime, left me scratching my head. As Holmes was 40+ in these fights and in the Harris fight Holmes was close to 50 years old.

    Lastly as for the Briggs fight Lewis got caught with a left hook, and stumbled back into ropes. Then Briggs went on the attack, unless your talking about after the initial attack where Briggs landed a punch behind Lewis's head ? when Lewis tried to escape ? but the initial punch that got Lewis in trouble was a left hook not a punch behind the head.
     
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  13. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    When you don't respect a guy's punch enough knockdowns tend to happen. That might have been the case in that bout.
     
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    Yes because Holmes won every single round against a significantly inferior fighter and boxer than Lewis in Gerry Cooney.

    Holmes very well decisions Lewis but Lewis's larger size, longer reach, power, and boxing ability will give Holmes fits.

    It's competitive
     
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    Holmes knocks him out. Holmes is an underrated puncher both skill and power wise. Holmes had superior ring craft, stamina and durability.

    He knocked out Mike Weaver and James Smith who I find much more durable than Lewis. Larry is capable of grinding you down, draining your stamina and hurt your badly with a solid lunch.

    I'm willing to bet this is going to be a
    war, if it is.. Larry comes out on top.