Holmes vs Norton - What Gene Tunney said!

Yeah check out this racist right here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVHo7yYhTzs

What an oppressor!

You can pretend all you want that Ali was racist against white people.

The smart people understand the complexities of groups he was associated with, mixed with the time period, and what was acceptable and not acceptable. They can see the way he interacts with people, and how his interactions aren't shallow, but very sincere.

You don't understand why Malcolm X was bashing "White society" (which si different than white people) and yet thousands of white people wanted to join his cause.

You don't understand why a major portion of white america was sick of "white society".

You just don't get it lol

 

Maybe you didn't read my posts, or you mistakenly quoted me instead of another poster.

But in case that's not the case ...
I didn't say Ali was "racist against whites". He might have been, I don't care to get into who he was "racist against", I'm simply saying he was racist. He believed in some pseudoscientific racial junk, and spouted some offensive and dangerous ideas around race. I've stated what they are, and you did not disagree.

You know nothing about me. I was reading books by Malcolm X, Franz Fanon and Marcus Garvey, and articles and speeches by Huey P.Newton and Stokely Carmichael over 25 years ago, and have some interest and knowledge in the subject. I credit my interest in boxing, specifically Muhammad Ali (and I'm old enough to remember when he was still boxing) as instrumental in sparking as interest, (along with raps bands of the late 1980s/early 90s such as Public Enemy, vintage Ice Cube and X-Clan). I think I have some understanding of the history, the movements and he issues at hand. Not that I should have to mention it.

My advice: Stop talking like you're so superior and start reading what I actually wrote. Stop assuming everyone else is a step behind you, they might be a step or two ahead. Try growing up and stop being such knee-jerk defensive of Muhammad Ali.
Your fanaticism is blinding you.

Have a good day.

 

I was wrong.

You were speaking from a certain level of understanding that I honestly did not expect.

I apologize.

 

Unless one came out of the 1960's in the US it is hard to understand. The oppression of whites against blacks led to a severe backlash and at times Ali was part of that backlash. Calling that backlash "racism" is not really understanding the dynamics of the time period.

 

Basically what I was trying to say, except you said it perfectly.

 

History of alcoholism? Where did you hear that?

 

Nice point :good

 

Tunney post-boxing was a lush. It's pretty well documented.

 

I believe he started hitting it hard after his daughter was murdured.

 

Thanks, I am going to bump up the Tunney biography by Jack Cavanaugh in my bullpen.

 

Pretty good book

 

Gene Tunney had a daughter who was murdered? I don't think that he did. However, I have read that he had a daughter who had schizophrenia and killed someone. As I recall, John Cavanaugh's biography of Tunney didn't have any such details about his daughter.

I am not a fan of the biography because Cavanaugh didn't go into enough depth when writing about the boxing career and post-boxing life of Tunney. In addition, the biography tends to portray Tunney in a very uncritical manner. The best biographies generally are much more nuanced.

- Chuck Johnston

 

I am all for taking Ali’s circumstances and later contrition into account, but this has to be done consistently!

Tommy Burns came to regret his racist attitudes.

He apologised for them, and seems to have felt deeply ashamed.

He also became a campaigner for racial equality!

If Ali is forgiven, then I would strongly recommend forgiving Burns!

 

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=gM0EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6100,5737992&hl=en

 

Tunney voiced his opinion back in 1970...just like everyone does here today...