Holt-Ngoudjo?

heard this via Dan Rafael's ESPN blog .. rumored for December in Montreal.

nice to see both fighters back in the title hunt, if the fight happens it would be an IBF eliminator

I can't help but think what a shitty situation it must be for Ngoudjo.

who's been on the shelf with a broken jaw since his January loss to Urango for the vacant IBF belt.

I figure this fight will be a tough test for both, but what's in it for Herman Ngoudjo?

as he already got wiped out by Urango once, and provided he gets by Holt I don't see much changing in a rematch vs Juan Urango.


only a rumor, but discuss.

 

yeah I tend to favor Ngoudjo. I think he'll come to be a revolving door for the IBF

he's already fought and lost 2 times for the IBF belt.

 

its getting their, give it time. look at Herman's last 4 fights.

lost in IBF title fight vs Urango

won in IBF Eliminator vs M'Baye

lost in IBF title fight vs Malignaggi

won IBF eliminator over Bailey

 

or maybe Herman has an obsession with the IBF eh?

I've always had a problem with saying "if the version that fought ___" as if these fighters have different performance levels or versions of themselves

did you ever stop and consider that maybe it has something to do with the opponent that fighter is up against

take the example Jeff used with Herman's fights vs Castillo, Paulie, and Urango ..I've seen all three.

but anyway Ngoudjo had much better performances vs the first 2 then the last ... one big reason being, the power of Castillo + Paulie doesn't really compare to the power of Urango.

when Castillo + Paulie hit Herman, it didn't really discourage him for the most part, and he continued to press the action

but when he got hit vs Urango .. he wound up holding for most of the fight, and had a broken jaw post fight.

I mean not to rag on you too much Jeff but take Paulie's own fight with Ngoudjo compared to his ones with Edner Cherry and the first fight with Lovemore.

why couldn't the same "version" of Paulie show up for the Ngoudjo fight that easily outboxed Cherry and N'Dou? it's easier said then done, when your opponent is outsized and all together over matched (like Cherry was in coming up in weight from 135 or Lovemore just being slow footed)

I mean did Herman do better because he fought a different "version" of Paulie?

so question back to you Jeff was it really different "versions" of Herman Ngoudjo or Malignaggi in the above examples when they under performed

or did it have more to do with the quality of opponent

as both men (Paulie + Herman) looked better when fighting one level of opponent Ngoudjo: Castillo and Paulie
Malignaggi: Herman, Cherry and Lovemore)

yet totally different vs another level (fights with Urango + Ngoudjo)

and if this whole "different version" of a fighter exists .. can we find the version of JT that doesn't gas, and sub him in for the Super 6?

 

ah "styles make fights" while certainly truth .. I never gave you this one argument before .. but I don't really see styles making fights as being too profound

as all its really saying is "different fighters fight in a different way, and whoever fights more effective through the course of the fight usually wins"

i mean no kidding, anyone could have told you that different fighters fight differently .. not so profound.

as for Ngoudjo agreed on vs Castillo, certainly his most consistent. I know your a Paulie fan but if you think he was pitching a SHUTOUT after 6 rounds .. you have got to be kidding me ... Paulie easily won the first 3 I'll give you that, but I think a strong case can be made for Herman winning the 4th and 6th. but in the long run it was Herman's inconsistency that cost him the fight ... he didn't win enough rounds point blank .. we can both agree on that.

I had the fight closer then i did initially when watching it again, but Herman didn't do enough to win

that is why he's unable to get over the hump .. I've always seen Herman as B level. eeks by Bailey, and too inconsistent to get the W over Paulie. as for Urango, yeah he was just out fought, and couldn't overcome Juan and win rounds. he was getting hunted down and tagged a majority of the fight, and the scorecards reflected.

Holt is more well rounded

but they are in Canada so who knows if judging will be fair.

if this is a close fight on the cards wouldn't shock me at all if Herman came out the winner.

 

okay your getting me on a technicality. obviously Herman got his jaw broken during the fight

im saying he got hit a lot DURING the fight, and by post fight a result of all the getting hit was a broken jaw. filling in the blanks here.

it wasn't known at the time it happened that Herman broke his jaw ... but that came out post fight, which is why I say so.

Herman showed a lot of heart in getting out of the round, and finishing the fight on his feet.

Urango did dominate him and the scorecards reflected on it.

but going into the title fight, he did have a close one vs Malignaggi and was therefore still ranked high by the IBF

coming off a one sided loss to Urango I don't see the sense in giving Herman a THIRD IBF eliminator right away.

how many times is the IBF going to recycle Herman into eliminators/title fights