Holy Crap Ray Mercer

That's the only part that matters. Everyone knows this (apart from one or two idiots), but for some reason we are all still arguing about it. It's simple, boxers have the advantage over most MMAers whilst standing (but those with good kicks will possibly more than just even the playing field - that's a discussion for another day). Then the majority of MMAers will have the advantage as soon as a grapple is initiated or the fight goes to the ground. The fact that someone knows that a boxer is likely to have terrible takedown defence and non-existent grappling skills means that in the vast majority of cases it makes it much easier to make a fight plan.

By the way, the point that you made about the examples of boxers losing in MMA being from the 90s isn't really relevant, boxing has not evolved since then but MMA has. Single discipline fighters rarely get involved now, and people know better how to deal with them.

Anyway, there is nothing more to discuss in here, pretty much everything has been covered multiple times.

 

Thanks for the info on Jimmerson. I was not aware of that. Care to post a source? Not calling you a liar, it's sounds believable. Rorion was involved in the first few UFC productions, and he definitely had an agenda.

James Warring is a former world title holder. I think that makes him world class. Now Warring was never in the p4p running, but he was a world champion.

Melton Bowen was not a world class boxer, but he was a solid professional. Not everyone can be a superstar. Bowen was also facing Steve Jennum. Jennum is a ninja. I don't know if he was considered to be a world class ninja, or a middle of the road ninja.

That's really all I'm getting at. Not saying you've changed your tune, or anything. Just saying that if we're not on the same page, at least we're not in a different book.