Holy-Ibragimov Coming Next

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Butch Coolidge, Oct 2, 2007.


  1. Rollo

    Rollo Active Member Full Member

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    My head says Sultan, my heart too. I never liked holyfield, but I certainly do respect him, and I wouldn´t be surpriced at all if he proves both my head and heart wrong once again.
     
  2. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

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    If you're picking Sultan do it on the basis of him being the younger, quicker fighter and not because he's some great talent. Let's not forget that this is the same guy who drew with Ray Austin. Everytime we doubt Evander Holyfield he does something incredible and he's definitely got the doubters against him here (and rightly so). I just don't think the fight that everyone is expecting (a wide Ibragimov UD) is what we're gonna get. I'm eerily confident going into this fight and I don't know why. You can say that I'm thinking more with my heart and as a Holyfield fan but I just don't feel that this is the mismatch everyone claims it is. Of the 4 titlists this is the first one I would pick for Holy to go for.
     
  3. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I guess that Quixotic trick can only favor Evander - if he was to defend something he was holding against one live underdog, he could fail big time, happens that he has a real threat to his short future and boxing career and that usually has the old timer pumped up to achieve near impossible tasks as this one appears to be...
     
  4. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holy by decision.

    It'll be a very competitive fight that will probably seen Holy decked at least once, but I don't think Ibrag can finish him.
     
  5. Bigcat

    Bigcat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The last word...

    Don't write Holyfield off...
     
  6. emanuel_augustus

    emanuel_augustus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think it's dangerous to compare resumes without any contextuality.

    The Ibragimov that fought Austin was 10 or 12 pounds overweight and didn't have the stamina to sustain attacks that he does at 218-220. He was also a bit perplexed by Austin's range and long jab when Austin stayed at range.

    The conditioning thing was Sultan's fault, but there is clearly no question that he's a far better fighter when at his proper weight.
     
  7. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ibragimov almost had Austin out in the first round if I remember correctly. I thought Ibragimov deserved a close win over Austin because he fought with more effective aggression than Austin. The things that bothered me in that fight about Ibragimov are that Ibragimov was really out of shape and that he appeared to know how to fight while being out of shape. The Austin fight wasn't a typical fight for Ibragimov, no body punching no swarming attacks. Hanging a pick on Ibragimov based on just this one fight is a huge mistake in my estimation.

    At least with Holyfield I'm considering his fights against Oquendo, Donald, Byrd and Toney instead of just the one win over a brittle Lou Savarese. I don't think Holyfield will present much of a test for the current WBO champ. It will, however, provide him a huge paycheck and a good step towards another huge paycheck.
     
  8. IMTKO2005

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    Holy is an older fighter with less speed and stamina. One thing that might happen, is that Ibragimov will make some repeditive mistake that Holy will notice, and will work it like crazy. Holy counters good, and i think that if this goes all the way Holy might even take this on points. Im picking the real deal !
     
  9. RichDam

    RichDam Active Member Full Member

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    Holyfield will find a way to win. Trust me.
     
  10. Armo_Ruski

    Armo_Ruski best of da best Full Member

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    this has the making for one of those how did that happen??? im not talking about holyfield winning by heart or by a big punch.. if u know what i mean... would it take alot of money for ibragimov to take a dive? lol... if it is straight up no b.s. iggy will win by ud or by 8th rd tko
     
  11. 24barrels

    24barrels New Member Full Member

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    Holyfield has not beaten any top fighter since 2002. Ibragimov is younger, has better reflexes and will be more active. Ibragimov by UD or late TKO.
     
  12. C Money

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    Exactly how I feel. Though I'm not making the final pick until it's in our PREDICTION League.

    I cant believe I feel that way either:nono I admit that after Donald, I didnt want to see him keep fighting. But he's on a win streak, and damn if it wouldnt be nice to see him look good and win one more?

    The dream would be that he'd retire afterwards. I'm not quite sure what it will take, to see Evander take that action. If there is too much will? Evanders got that! Hope he gets 1 MO and GETS OUT at least not fighting. He's had a pretty amazing career and was a LEGIT HW Champion. Instant HOF, always respected, hope he finds a way to use his will in a different way, hopefully in the sport.
     
  13. badbone

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    I would like to first off, I love this site!! Been visiting almost daily for a couple years now. Never really interested in posting--always reading, until now.

    I am an Evander fan. I have been bias for sure on some of his fights. To see him fight for a title again does stir up the old feelings. I used to pay for every big fight. Last fight (Heavies) I felt had some teeth and excitment was the Lewis/Klitch. fight. Seems that I have not found a new Heavyweight fighter I truely like. I'm hoping old" Evander can give a show again. I'll always remember Big George saying during a fight "Someone throw in the towel" right before Evander kicked some butt. After the Toney fight I felt that it was over. But if what Evander said' that his shoulder was bad. (Always wondered why he didnt throw the combinations.) But if the left shoulder is good, Evander's best weapon, the double left hooks could do more damage to Sultan than alot of people think. Round nine I hope ?, after resting for a few rounds is my gut feeling.
     
  14. El Bombasto

    El Bombasto Ask yo momma Full Member

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    If the fight goes the distance, Holyfield either gets blownout or the decision is close. Sorry, but at this point in their respective careers, Ibragimov is the far better boxer. No way does Holyfield win any decision that is remotely close in Moscow.

    Ibrag UD/TKO, easy fight to call
     
  15. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

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    Knowing how to fight when out of shape isn't exactly a science. The fighter just has to be more economical with his punches and try not to over-exert himself. Laying on the ropes and counter punching and tying the opponent up a little more than usual will help but in the end it just comes down to pacing yourself and alot of this depends on the opponent in front of you. Ray Austin isn't the type of guy who will force a frantic pace. Quite the contrary. If anything, Ibragimov was lucky he wasn't fighting a more active fighter that night because then he would have been in some real trouble.

    I'm not entirely basing my pick of Holyfield on that fight either. Even in shape Ibragimov is a beatable fighter. He's a world champion, a good fighter with some decent names on his resume but I really believe that Holyfield can pull this one off and the manner in which he may do it could end up surprising alot of people.