Holyfield, 46, gets another title shot. To fight Valuev

someone explain to me why valuev isn't fighting wlad?

 

For those who think that 8 years (Vitali vs Holyfield) is too much and Evander is too old:

George Foreman (42yro) vs Holyfield: 14 years
George Foreman (44yro) vs Morrison: 20 years
George Foreman (46yro) vs Axel Schultz: 20 years
George Foreman (48yro) vs Briggs: 23 years

Are these fights meaningless too?

Ali vs Moore 25 years difference (actually 27 since Moore lied being 2 years younger)

Mike Tyson vs Larry Holmes: 17 years
Mike Tyson vs Berbick: 12 years
Holyfield vs Holmes: 13 years

Shall we delete these fights from the records? Ridiculous.

Fans won't remember the age, just the names, just as you now only remember the names of the above fights.

 

This fight is a tottal disgrace end of story


The shamefull thing is going to be watching an atg getting beat up by a freak, christ even Toney stopped Holyfield atsch and that was 5 years ago.

By the time they come to fight holy would of been out of the ring for 14 months and he will be giving up over a 100 ilbs in weight :-( Lucky for holy that valuev isn't the biggest puncher going, but seriously it's time some one forced him to call it a day he's 46 ffs.

He slurs his words terribly now, just watch an old clip of him talking and then watch one of today. I don't want to see him getting seriously hurt in the ring and for people to be glad this fight is happenning should be ashamed of themselves. As for the the promoter making the fight he should be banned :-(

 

If Valuev doesn't knock out Holyfield look for Holyfield to keep fighting.:? :-((

 

Team Valuev said there was nobody else availiable? Wlad Klitschko was availiable and has 2 belts to bring to the table. This fight is a complete joke and so is Sauerland. atsch

 

Ali TKO4 Moore.
Tyson TKO4 Holmes.
Tyson TKO2 Berbick.
Holyfield UD12 Holmes.

Not great examples, are they? Holmes went the 12 with Holyfield but that was mainly thanks to his ability to tie up Holyfield and break his rhythm, hardly a fight for the ages was it?

As for Foreman, he'd been inactive for 10 years before coming back, not taking beatings in that time, and was NEVER in the kind of wars Holyfield had. He also always had that one-punch power, to turn a fight around when he was getting his ass beat as with Moorer...Holy's never had that same level of power.

The messianic belief in Holyfield's abilities, above and beyond all common sense, is exactly what's keeping him out there and will probably have him slumped dribbling in a wheelchair within ten years. All the pro-Holyfield cheerleading won't count for a damn then. Everyone goes Foreman, Foreman, Foreman when it comes to rooting for older fighters...how about mentioning the hundreds of veterans before and after that tried the same thing and achieved nothing in the end but a sad string of knockout losses to inferior fighters and a broken-down end to their lives?

And the most ironic thing is that even if Holyfield upsets the odds, and like I say it's not like Valuev is an awesome fighter himself, all it means is an even likelier chance of him continuing on through heavier beatings and worse losses with the deluded self-belief that he can be undisputed again.

And that's just the Holyfield side of things, don't get me started about the Valuev and WBA sides....

 

He did get that last change already against Ibramigov.

 

And that was a gift out of the blue as well, for an unranked Holyfield.

Why bother beating worthy opponents? If he loses just put his feet up, have another beer, and wait for another title shot to come strolling along. Get thrashed in 6 rounds? No problem, feet up, beer, play a little b-ball perhaps, another title shot, off we go. Got outpointed? Oh, my shoulder was playing up. Who's next? Pass the beer!

 

The lumbering giant is just avoiding the Klitchsko brothers

 

HW boxing in particular is truly turning into a car that's just running on fumes from an empty tank!

If Holyfield wins (which, sadly is not necessarily unlikely) will Tyson vs. Holy 3 be far behind, or Lewis vs. Holy 3?

Even worse, to the very casual fan, they might assume that Holy is then the "True Heavyweight Champion of the World!"

If ever there was a fight that was going to be fixed, this is the one! Think I'll bet some vCash on Holyfield!!! ;-)

 

Can we say money...

 

At first glance this is a valid argument, BUT:

Foreman in his first career (= before the 10 years break) had approx. as many fights (47) as Holyfield has now (53). Add to it the "Foreman Five" and you get 52 vs 53. Thus I am not convinced by that argument.

60ies: Foreman fights every 14 days
70ies: Foreman fights every 80 days
80ies: Foreman fights every 48 days (= more frequent than in the 70ies)
90ies: Foreman fights every 204 days

Holyfield throughout his entire career fought every 160 days. That's once every 5-6 months.

That gets even worse, once you take only his heavyfights into consideration (200+ lbs). In his entire career Holyfield had a heavyweight fight every 207 days. That's ridiculously little.

As a sidenote:
Muhammad Ali (once you delete his 1314 days break) fought in his entire career every 108 days (= every 3-4 months).
Wladimir Klitschko fights every 80 days = Klitschko is 2-3 times as active as Evander Holyfield.
Lennox Lewis every 118 days.
Joe Louis every 89 days.
Sam Langford every 28 days (not exactly comparable to the others since 80% of his fights are against bums).
Archie Moore every 45 days.

Also the second part, I do not accept:

If you engage in wars it means that you don't DOMINATE which means that you are overrated anyway.

He himself is feeding the fans with this "messianic aura". After all, his heart hole healed by watching, who was it again, Billy Graham?

Go Evander, go! Do what Jesus would do...defeat the Klitschkos!

 

Though this fight shouldnt happen I will fully support Evander Holyfield through it all. even if Holyfield is shot, he still has enough to compete with the younger champions due to their lack of skills, Holyfield is a throwback, in his last fight I thought he looked good, he wasnt dominated, it was a close fight.