great fight - the fact that holyfield stayed up from that assault in the tenth was testament to his determination to win (even if the ropes stopped him from hitting the canvas). One of the best heavyweight contests ive been privelaged to watch live
The 10th round was amazing!! When Holyfield started making his comeback right there was where I became a Holyfield fan.. I went into the fight wanting Bowe to win, I was an 80's kid who loved Tyson and I just thought Holyfield was keeping Tysons throne warm until his return. But after that night Holyfield was my man!!
If you focus on power punches then I understand why you scored more rounds for Bowe. But Holyfield many times railled back after taking huge blows by Riddick. There were rounds that Holy took serious bombs and then he started to adjust himself. I was very close giving Evander the 10th round. He was on the verge of KO but he sucked it up and railled back big. For me it looked like Bowe had very strong 1/3 of that round and Holy outworked him in 2/3 and the finishing 3/3. It's tough to score round like that. It looked that Holy was a better fighter for the most part of this stanza, but the way that Bowe hurt him early was decisive. As you see I'm looking at many things at scoring and don't have one universal formula. I score what I see and what I feel :rasta
I don't think Holyfield was quite at his peak to be honest. I don't like the talk of fighters peaks, that was just one fight. The Holyfield of the second Bowe fight, was physically stronger. And he still had all the skills and endurance......... I don't think any heavyweights in history have EVER, hit each other as HARD and as much. I think Bowe vs Holyfield is more intense and brutal, than the Ali vs Frazier match ups. The most brutal heavyweight rivalry ever.
Look at Holyfield got ****ing mental, at the 3min 20sec mark..........He starts throwing Left Hooks like a Heavyweight Roy Jones......with allot of power on them. Sometimes Roy Jones threw all them 7 hooks in a row, just for a show sometimes. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXRG3c7Z8bk[/ame] The second fight is just as brutal...!!!!! these guys just wanted to fight. Just look at these guys, just look at these two men..!!!!!!! if you have not seen the other two fights, people need to watch them. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEGRMIG7meY[/ame] Holyfield's health is ****ed in the 3rd fight, which made that fight even more epic...!!! George Foreman was fearing for Evander Holyfields life. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1CjGrhzQ3M[/ame]
Prior to this fight,the Larry Holmes - Ken Norton fight was the benchmarjk,in as much as it was known as the last great heavyweight battle. A few after that,such as Douglas - Holyfield,Tyson - Spinks had the billing,but never delivered. Well,Holyfield and Bowe certainly delivered. Magnificent fight.
Good post. Some people here dont even rate Bowe, they say "all he has is the Holyfield trilogy" .... but those three fights have got to be worth considerably ore than three ordinary heavyweight championship fights. In my book anyway. Even Holyfield's greatness is doubted by some people on this board. atsch
Unbelievable fight. Two ATG fighters putting one the greatest display of courage and will I have ever seen. Watched it last night....but this statement is ridiculous Bowe is not even a top 10 heavyweight of all time..so If evander at his peak(like you implied) couldn't come close to beating Riddick Bowe, how is he going to beat some of the better heavyweights in history?
Bowe annoys me. He had so much potential,as displayed against Holyfield,but just wasted it. He could have been a top 10 heavy in a lot of people's lists. Nonetheless,he was brilliant in the first Holyfield fight. As was Evander.
Suzie, evander was fighting a man 20+ pounds bigger then him, younger, hungry, stronger, and harder hitting then him. bowe beats evander in every category besides hand speed and experience. I do think this fight was close, every time bowe would beat up evander, evander would come back and get some points back, which would end up making the rounds very close. I never said evander would beat every fighter out there. but he qould certainly test them and give them a challenge. thats all I said. I would favor Holyfield over: dempsey, Lewis, Liston, foreman, Charles, Walcott, patterson, Baer, schmelling, Johnson, and Tyson. I'm probably forgetting a few but whatever. the point is, Holyfield is a great and would give a fight to anyone. he qould certainly do better then foreman and Liston did against Ali.
Hell, I think Holy's win over 42 year old Foreman stands as a great accomplishment too...... :yep Foreman was like a walking powerhouse in that fight, but Holy was too spry and savvy for Foreman..... :deal MR.BILL
Very good fight. Holyfield was 28-0 (22) overall and 10-0 (7) in World Title Fights going in. He had been the Undisputed CW Champ and was now the Undisputed HW Champ. He had wins over World Champions Booze W8, Ricky Parkey KO3, Ossie Ocasio KO11, Carlos DeLeon KO8, Pinklon Thomas KO7, Michael Dokes KO10, and James Douglas KO3 among others. He had wins over Hall of Famers Dwight Qawi W15 and KO4, George Foreman W12, and Larry Holmes W12. He had also beat Anthony Davis KO5, Chisanda Mutti KO4, Henry Tillman KO7, James Tillis KO5, Adilson Rodrigues KO2, Alex Stewart KO8, and Bert Cooper KO7 among others. He was 30 years old when he fought Bowe for the first time. He had been undefeated for his entire 8 years as a pro. Holyfield and Bowe had sparred before and Holyfield actually made Bowe quit more than once. Holyfield had missed out on a fight with Tyson at least three times by now (mid 1990, late 1991, and early 1992) for various reasons. A win over Bowe was not seen as anything compared to a win over Tyson. The bottom line is that Holyfield took Bowe for granted and was not properly motivated. With that said, Holyfield still fought very well. The 6'5" 235-240Lb Bowe was 31-0 (27) going into the fight and had wins over Pinklon Thomas KO8, Bert Cooper KO2, Tyrell Biggs KO8, Tony Tubbs W10, Bruce Seldon KO1, and Pierre Coetzer KO7 among others. The fight- Holyfield fought smart in the first round and clearly won the round. Holyfield did not stick to a smart fight plan from round 2 on and fought toe to toe with the bigger man for the remainder of the fight. Bowe got away with countless lowblows and rough tactics but never lost a point. Both men hit each other after the bell a few times. After 9 rounds the fight was close. It had gone back and forth and was very entertaining. I think I had it even because I scored one of the earlier rounds even but I may have had Bowe up by a point? Round 10 was great. Bowe hurt Holyfield with a good shot early and unloaded on him. Holyfield was able to come back, hurt Bowe, and unload on him for a while before the round was over. I scored the round even. In round 11 Bowe scored a knockdown but I think it was B.S.... Holyfield ducked a punch from Bowe and when Bowe threw his next shot he hit Holyfield in the back of the head just above the neck. The shot hurt Holyfield and Holyfield used the ropes to keep from completely going down. It's common knowledge that when you need the ropes to keep you up that a knockdown can be called... but even when you're hit in the back of the head? I think it should have been a 10-9 round for Bowe, not 10-8... but the knockdwon was called so you can't ignore it. I think I scored round 12 for Holyfield. Anyway, Bowe fought a great fight and could not have done any better had his life depended on it. On the other hand I do think Holyfield could have fought a better fight and did so in the rematch (although Bowe was not quite as good in the rematch).
Holy was too light for Bowe in 1992..... The 205 that Holy weighed was good for his speed, but not his strength or power........ Bowe at 235 was the best he ever was..... Come 1993, Holy was (Juiced?) 217 1/2 pounds and looking ripped as hell, and his speed was still intact..... Bowe was a soft 246 and seemed content as champion from the point...... In 1995 I think Holy was like 213-215 for the rubber match.?.? Bowe was a decent 240..... Holy claimed he was weak from a flu virus...... Bowe was dropped and nearly done in around the 5th stanza, but he regrouped and offed Holy in the 8th...... A great series...... MR.BILL
How is it ridiculous..? Its been almost 20 years since "Riddick Bowe vs Evander Holyfield I" took place, and there has been no heavyweight fight that has come close to intensity, magnitude of meaning, and share brutality. In the past 20 years, nothing has come close....and there have been good fights. Forget about mythical rankings, Riddick Bowe would **** Rocky Maricano up, and **** Sonny Liston like he was in jail. A fight is a fight......and Evander Holyfield vs Riddick Bowe put together in my opinion the most brutal high intensity heavyweight fights of all-time. More brutal and intense than Ali vs Frazier and Holmes vs Norton. Over the duration of the whole fight... You need to shut the **** up, about top-10 rankings. Riddick Bowe was 6"4 235 pound bad ass, who could box, could fight inside, and had a immense workrate. Being a realist, slow ass Rocky Maricano and Sonny Liston, would get beat down badly.........badly..!!!! Go ahead, **** off you nobhead. Go and make a topic about Rocky Marciano beating these two guys......... Stupid *****.
I basically place Bowe in the ATG top-10 or 12 based on his series with Holy........ Bowe of 1992 and 235 pounds was a monster for any prior great whoever held the crown dating back to 1887..... Yeah, it was a short-lived prime, but it was really good for that flash...... MR.BILL