Holyfield gives some good advice to Joshua for the rematch

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  1. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 Active Member Full Member

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    ...obviously Joshua knows he has to make some changes to his preparation and there is no need to remind him- Holyfield told iFL TV -
    In my opinion Aj has to do a different preparation this time. I saw that Ruiz was very good at cutting him off and closing him in the corner. Here Joshua has to work a lot with sparring and find counter-moves. I advise him to find collaborators who are not powerful, fast, structured but who know how to push him to the ropes.

    Joshua needs a good coach to pressure him and push him around the perimeter of the ring. It is in that area that Ruiz won the other time and where Aj failed to anticipate it. He must have a sparring that growls at him for three rounds then under another to do the same job. The match can win if he understands what his opponent can do better than him.

    Did Holy completely hit the heart of the matter? As to the sparrings do you agree with him or do you think it would be better for Joshua to train with fighters having other features for winning the rematch?
     
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  2. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joshuas going to do a number on Ruiz,he doesn't have to change much ,one has to assume he will connect with more then one combo sequence and Ruiz failed to stand up to just ONE which was a uppercut /left hook. The ONLY combo landed for AJ.


    I wouldn't take much into weekly boxing quarter backs who don't go back and study fights but talk without real insight. This is what these guys do just like when Holyfield said no one wanted Ortiz yet weeks bf his own manger said they declined the Aj fight. a lot of misrepresentation to support a fellow American but in the [process makes these guys look stupid. LOOK at the first 3 rounds and who really had control of the fight bf the Aj knockdowns. Even then it went 7,so what will happen next time ?


    Joshua's fast combos will win him this fight and all likelihood geta mid rnd stoppage bc no one can withstand the punishment IF Aj starts landing earlyt but besides that sparring is the key ,and he has that down to a tee this time so it will be doom and gloom for Ruiz as it should've been the first time.

    On a side note I SAID one should look at the Ruiz/Holyfield sparring match to see how it could end up,Ruiz literally has little chance now. Anyone wanting to chance some money take Ruiz ,hes the underdog!
     
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  3. Tramell

    Tramell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This has been one of the most difficult fights for me to predict. On paper AJ has it all in his favor. As stated above

    I just wrote something similar in another post. I disagree that Ruiz took everything Aj had to offer, so I perused stats & felt they were pretty accurate. Landing less than 2 power punches in 5 out of 7 rounds isn't taking all Aj has to give.

    Where I'm stumped totally is knowing the bigger muscular guy backpeddling from a good sized, but fleshly foe. It shouldn't matter, but it sends a signal to me that AJ is more of an athlete who learned to box well.

    And Ruiz is a fighter who learned how to box well. Athleticism means little when caught in a firefight.
     
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  4. Tramell

    Tramell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    oops my bad, the title of the thread: NO, Holy isn't on point at all. Just my take.
     
  5. lucky luke

    lucky luke Active Member Full Member

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    Making no adjustments, going into a rematch as the looser doesn't sound right. I haven't analyzed the fight, but if Holyfield only advice him to not get cornered, and owning the center of the ring, I don't see how you could argue with that.

    If all AJ needs to do is land his combos(wich I agree on) , the centre of the ring is a much better place for doing that than up on the ropes.
     
  6. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    An imposing athlete that boxes at any top level is far more effective ,one with AJ's attributes should tell you who wins this fight.

    The only difficult thing is IF Joshua had never dropped Ruiz first,but he did .


    Theres your winner who is training now for ONE guy ,not having to predict who he MAY fight. Taking the immediate rematch also should tell you AJ win when he just fought a much shorter guy last time so the gage on who he should be sparring now and where to punch is going to much more effective here bc Joshua will not be fighting even guys under 6'3 let alone 6'0 ,this is one he had to prepare for more and was off just enough he lost,looking at the fight he was within inches from fight ending punches..

    AJ wins.
     
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  7. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You can't own center of the ring with Ruiz ,AJ's body would tire more ,he has to walk him into punches if he hasn't hurt him early. Not getting cornered is an obvious point. the way AJ wins is to angle off the jab off center line with Ruiz planted feet.not near the ropes and only clinch after he throws his own combos if Ruiz slips in his space .

    Nothing has changed ,Ruiz is a still a lunger and will be lunging at AJ to make up distance ,my breakdown stands from last fight ....make him lunge into counter shots he has next to zero chance of landing from a distance not possible by a 6'0 fighter. AJ throwing combos off that jab and Ruiz cant win. The power and brutality he is able to do is to much ,no heavy foot fighter under 6'3 will win this fight if AJ fights smart and does this.
     
  8. Reg

    Reg Boxing Addict Full Member

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    AJ needs to dip after he lands a couple punches. That's it. Just don't stay in the pocket for too long. There you go, UD12 or late TKO for AJ.
     
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  9. notjustacasual

    notjustacasual Active Member Full Member

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    Joshua has no chance, unless Holyfield can donate his chin to him he can't help Joshua

    Ruiz is just a far better fighter in every single regard, theres nothing Joshua does better except quit.
     
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  10. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' booted Full Member

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    You're going to look like Ronald the clown again like after the last fight.

    Just make sure you turn up here and don't go hiding like you did last time.
     
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  11. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are delusional.
     
  12. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Have you seen Holyfield's chin at the tail end of his career? He needed to get saved with a NC against quality journeyman "Tank" Williams, who had him all over the place. Joshua doesn't want that old man's chin, because he probably wouldn't make it out of the first against Ruiz...
     
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  13. Tramell

    Tramell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Disagree, kinda all around oh well it happens!
    Getting backed up IMO has nothing to do with who he prepared for. That's his mentality and or game.

    Too clear to see when Ruiz got dropped (FLUSH) on the chin from a wicked left hook. He went into go-out-on-his-shield mode.
    2:18 left is when he got-dropped. He gets up, and where does he go? Right back to the center of the ring. AJ lands a beauty of a right at 1:59.
    Throws a monstrous left hook at 1:56, which Ruiz clear-headed (enough) to slip under it.

    1:52 left it all changes! AJ rocked, covers up good, but equilibrium is off. 1:00 left he don't want that center of the ring, so he backs up. 2nd knockdown, this dude can barely get up.

    Going into 7th round commentator "Last 40 seconds Joshua maybe threw one punch" I counted at that point 2:40 left in round seven where 12 unanswered punches that sent him down again.

    AJ spitting out his mouth piece, breathing heavily, unable to handle shots to the head. Not sure how training for a shorter fighter will prevent these from occurring again.
     
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  14. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Active Member Full Member

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    That's how the first fight was meant to go though, Ruiz just simply put a stop to it..
     
  15. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Active Member Full Member

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    Has he seen the first fight ??? Hes just described AJ from the first fight, fast, strong, good combo, what happened ????
     
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