Holyfield had to fight real contenders at HW to get his shot.... shouldn't Usyk have to do the same?

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  1. Oakland Billy Smith

    Oakland Billy Smith Active Member banned Full Member

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    Holyfield defended the CW title 6 times and unified the belts along the way....
    then he had to get past James Tillis, Pinklon Thomas, Michael Dokes, Alex Stewart, along with a couple of lesser opponents before he ever got a shot at the HW crown, and all along people were doubting his ability at HW.

    Why is Usyk given such star treatment by comparison? And then modern fans have the audacity to claim Usyk was better than Holy? Even at CW?

    Does anyone older than 30 really believe that?
     
  2. Nopporn

    Nopporn Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How is Usyk given such star treatment? Is he authorized to fight for the World Title at the HWD in his next fight after he beats Whiterspoon?
     
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  3. radupidu

    radupidu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Different eras man

    Now we live in the era of the cash cow. Contenders wait for their turn to to get that payday

    Which contender do you think would fight Usyk right now, a high risk low reward fighter ?
     
  4. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are correct but in this era the WBO have a rule in place where a champion is allowed to move up a division and become the mandatory instantly.. Nothing wrong with him using the rule in his favor.
     
  5. expljose

    expljose Active Member Full Member

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    Hes getting a title shot ??? Or are you just hating to hate?
     
  6. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    This ^

    Crawford used it.

    BJS used it

    Andrade was installed mandatory moving up to 160 for BJS title shot


    Basically just a rule I guess good leverage
     
  7. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    Usyk has the better resume at CW, that is what most people argue. Not that Usyk is a better boxer than Holyfield was.
    And Usyk is guaranteed a shot at the HW title due to the WBO. Not because everyone just loves Usyk. Otherwise he would have to fight his way up the rankings like Holyfield did.

    And what´s wrong with the idea of Usyk getting a title shot as soon as possible? He was the undisputed Cruiserweight champion, meaning he is one of the best boxers in the world. Don´t you want to see the best fighting the best?
     
  8. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Holyfield couldn't make use of the rule of the WBO that was still a minor belt at that time.
    Also, Holy was a smallish cruiserweight, who needed time to adjust to the extremely fast added muscleweight before making his move.

    Most cruisers today are natural Heavyweights boiling down to 200, but Holyfield was a smallish cruiser even in the 190 days, who had to become a Heavyweight by adding muscle. Grow as a human so to speak.
     
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  9. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    And yet, if Uysk took six fights to work his way into title contention, some people would accuse him of ducking the top names.

    He's also much older than Holyfield who was in his mid-20s when he made the move up. He had time on his side.

    But it's always good to see boxing fans put Uysk's name in the same conversation as Holyfield's. It's a fair comparison by the OP and can only be framed as a warranted compliment...
     
  10. notjustacasual

    notjustacasual Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    What contenders?

    Theres two groups worth a damn at heavy

    The champions plus Joshua (for now at least )

    And youngsters like Dubois etc who arent ready

    The back end of the top 10 is garbage
     
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  11. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Yes and no. I'd prefer that he did, but that's the WBO rules.
     
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  12. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    OP is spot on and and futhermore, Usyk should honour Holyfield's legacy by taking a load of roids and ballooning in size and get a robbery draw decision in his favour like the first Lewis fight. Only that way can he be spoken of in the same sentence as Evan Field.
     
  13. Furious

    Furious Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Basically, as is usual with Oakland's threads, he is just showing that he feels Wilder is threatened by Usyk.
     
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  14. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder earned his title shot by beating Jason Gavern of all people.
     
  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Usyk and Holyfield could have beat the WBO champ when Holy first moved up easily.
     
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