Holyfield ist badly underrated at HW

You are missing the point......

The above mentioned, at one time or another DOMINATED the Heavyweight division , Tyson, Lewis and Ali were the Number 1 , no ifs or buts and were the face of the Heavyweight crown.......Holyfield never dominated , ever, as a matter of fact the first time he stepped up against a up and coming promising but fairly unproven prospect in Bowe, he lost......convincingly.

One more time, you take the mentally washed up Tyson out of his resume and his accomplishments loose a lot of shine.

Holyfield, on top of his game, either struggled or lost in the majority of his fights...........what was a easy fight for him ? Moorer 2 ? besides that the above stands.

Plus, without any doubt Holyfield is the 80/90's doped to the gills version of Manny Pac..........and his so called "longevity" was chemically enhanced with the best juice/blood doping etc etc money and science can buy.

 

Ali and Louis as the top two is easy for me, but then it gets trickier.

I have Holmes as nr 3 seeing to his consistency in his prime and his longevity, but he hasn't any real signature wins and the last three years of his reign were weak.

So are Wlad's decade of dominance enough to get him that spot despite his early losses? Could be.

Is Johnson's dominant rise to champion enough? Could be.

Is Lewis beating everyone he faced and capping it off with a win over prime Vitaly when himself past it enough? Could be.

Is Foreman's fantastic achievement of first winning the crown by a pulverizing an unbeaten champion that seemed nigh unbeatable and then winning it again 21 years later enough? Could be.

And there could be a case for Holy as well, seeing to how he beat everyone he faced in his prime and his great longevity.

Ranking fighters is far from an exact science and there are so many with great achievements in different ways that you get very different results depending on what you emphasize. Therefore I wouldn't say Holy is being severely underrated if put in the lower top 10. He could be higher, but so could several other champions.

 

I see where you are coming from, but as for the PEDs...

You talk like only Holy, Pac are PED users and others are clean like blue sky.

PEDs were invented few decades ago.

PEDs were commonly used at high school teams as early as 70s, it's a fact.

Thus, it's more than beliavable that elite athletes also used PEDs if school-level sportsmen used them.

I don't call Holy or Pac 'cheaters' cause I know that most athletes are using performance-enhancing substances.

PED tests were so easy to pass by in 80s and 90s. Now it's harder but PEDs masking is on the highest level.

I think that everybody is using PEDs at the top level, not only boxers but runners, football players, weightlifters etc.

So it's an even field when everybody is on juice. Maybe Evan Fields' or Pac's juice had more quality than the PEDs of their opponents but we don't know it for sure.

 

Morrison tested positive for HIV.
Mercer had hepatitis.
Seldon cashed out against Tyson.
These guys were basically just contenders though, never at the top.

Foreman, Tyson, Moorer, Holyfield and Lewis were around after him.

 

I don't make lists but the only guys I see beating Holyfield are Ali, Dempsey, Foreman and Holmes.
Maybe Johnson if he really, really felt like it that day. Under no circumstances do I see a PRIME Holyfield getting KO'd by anyone.

 

Bowe seemed to recover fine following the first Holyfield fight which was a brutal back and forth affair. And Holyfield himself didn't seem to show many adverse affects after the 3rd fight going on to beat Mike Tyson in the best win of his career. Given he had just beaten Holyfield it seems unlikely that there was a major deterioration in Bowe's abilities prior to the Golota fights. He was only 28 years old and in prior fights hadn't really shown signs of decline. Golota found him easy to hit but Bowe was never known for being good defensively.

 

I don't see any case for Foreman being 3rd and it would be difficult to make a case for Johnson given he ducked the best opponents as champ. You could maybe make a good case for Wladimir Klitschko or Larry Holmes.

 

It's also worth pointing out that in Holyfield's era it was much more common for fighters to enjoy success at advanced ages than it was in prior eras. Lennox Lewis was considered the best heavyweight in the world as late as age 37 and Vitali Klitschko was considered the number 2 heavyweight in the world at age 40. Wladimir Klitschko was the best up until age 38, etc.

 

Much more common? Or even at all? I'm not sure I share that perception. There have always been guys like Archie Moore, Bob Fitzsimmons, Joe Walcott, etc.

 

Lewis and Tyson might beat him prime for prime (of course they might not) and I'd be confident enough in Joe Louis or prime Holmes to bet a sum large enough that it would hurt to lose. Frazier and Marciano would also give him hell. Norton would probably lose a fairly narrow decision.

 

H2H and accomplishments are two very different matters. While there are plenty of guys from prior eras who I would put ahead of Holyfield based on accomplishments I think it's unlikely that many guys from prior eras would beat him H2H. The more recent guys like the Klitschkos and Joshua would have a better shot because there reasonably quick and athletic and also 30-45 pounds heavier than Holyfield.

 

Some call Evan Fields the Barry Bonds of boxing... which is a compliment, right?

 

Come on man, doesn't "Evan Fields" sound like a pseudonym you'd choose if you wanted someone else to take the heat in the event any suspicion is aroused? Why would anyone who is not a complete snot-bubble-blowing ret*rd choose an assumed name so close to his own?

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty confident Holyfield is pretty far from being a ret*rd.

 

I seem to remember those shipments being associated with his home address and birthdate, also. And that he was recorded as picking up testosterone and HGH in person from a urologist's office that was later raided under the Signature investigation, which has some major league ballplayers tied into it.

 

If you think Benny Hinn cured a "hole" in your heart, you probably aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer.