Holyfield missing link in K's resume

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  1. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    This is basically a companion piece to my other thread asking why they never faced him, but its got a different point.

    The first thing that comes up in criticism of either Klitschko's resume is that they never beat an ATG. That does NOT come up for Johnson, Holmes, Tyson. And either K resume is otherwise better than those fighters (with only Holmes being debatable.) The only real ATG's Johnson et al beat were shot to pieces versions of Jeffries, Ali, and Holmes, respectively. None of those fighters were any less shot than the Holyfield coming off a close, disputed loss to title holder Valuev at the end of 2008. If either K fights and beat him at that stage, the "never beat an ATG" argument disappeared against them. Missed opportunity by the K's.
     
  2. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Johnson beat langford and every other black guy that Dempsey ducked
     
  3. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    HE WAS IN HIS LATE 40s FFS!!!!!
    How the **** does a 48 year old midget belong in the ring with giants?
    :patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch

    Go inhale some gasoline and enjoy a nice swim at the local pool.
     
  4. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    5'7 Sam? Of the 32/14/15 boxing record? I count neither him nor Tommy Burns (also 5'7) as true ATG's, that is definitively in the top 30 all time. Sure he was ducked, Corrie Sanders was ducked a lot too. Unlike either Langford or Burns, Sanders had a win over a real ATG. I rank them all fairly similarly, none is a legit top 30 ATG. Arguments to the contrary are largely just revisionist.
     
  5. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Maybe they should have fought Honest John Ruiz also, any other faded bums they missed?


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  6. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Go break down, you are a very bad, bot. So what re: age, he was coming off a good performance against a belt holder. He showed more than Jeffries, Ali, Holmes had shown in the last 12 months before their returns.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    It sounds like your OP here is actually making the exact same point as the other. :huh
     
  8. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Money, I think you're mistaking me. I'm not really criticizing them, so much as highlighting how easily the biggest criticism against them is countered. No real argument can be made that 1. Holyfield was less deserving of a shot than Jeffries, Ali, or Holmes and 2. That either K would not have destroyed him.

    And simply doing what is almost undeniable would have eliminated the #1 charge against them.
     
  9. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    My first was a legitimate question on why they never did it. This one is pointing out that if they had, arguably the major gripe about them would be resolved. Complimentary but very different.
     
  10. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    Off the top of my head, men that both klits faced that were worse than the Holyfield that fought sugar

    - sosnowski
    - Briggs
    - lepai
    - mormeck
    - Rahman
    - wach
    - pianeta
    - Botha
    - Danny Williams

    Could any of the above in their respective versions of when they fought the klits beaten valuev? Because old holy did in most eyes

    They should have fought him
     
  11. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    :lol: you sound like someone who sanctions James Toney´s fight.
     
  12. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    Well could sosnowski have fought valuev to that righty a decision? No.
     
  13. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    It doesnt change the fact that Holy lost to any other top HW he fought.
    It would have been a pointless massacre. Stop trying to justify this.
     
  14. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    :lol: Holyfield isn't the missing link in Vlad's resume.

    The missing link in Vlad's resume is the lack of presence of even one (1) ATG or HOF opponent.
    Holyfield, Tyson, and Foreman were the only remaining ATG HW fighters still around when the Klits came on the scene.
    Lewis fought and defeated Holyfield and Tyson, but not Foreman.

    Vlad never faced any of them.
    In fact, a far as resumes, Shannon Brigg's who fought Lewis, Foreman, and Old Jimmy Ellis resume is greater than Vlad's who has not once been in the ring with an ATG.
     
  15. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    What HOF did Mike Tyson beat again? Please list. A shot to pieces Holmes?