Holyfield or tyson?

Holyfield's wins over Tyson gets devalued by Tyson nuthuggers calling him past it but while he wasn't peaked neither was Evander. Holyfield's Tyson wins and Bowe are better than anything on. The Douglas, Moorer, Foreman, Holmes, Thomas, Dokes, Rahman, Ruiz, Mercer are top quality B wins. The Lennox Lewis rematch was an excellent past prime showing as was the unofficial win over Valuev. Tyson's win list is a little lower in quality on the top end but very good wins Holmes, Spinks, Thomas, Berbick, Tucker, Tubbs, Smith, Golota, Bruno and Rudduck.

Tyson was more dominant though and looked unbeatable at his best, Holyfield has near prime losses to Bowe and Moorer, both avenged although ofcourse he lost the Bowe series, then again Tyson has near prime losses to Douglas and Holyfield both unavenged

Holyfield for me but not much in it and both imo are very underrated on HW lists. Both make my top 6 with Ali, Lewis, Holmes, Louis andwe were fortunate to have both in our lifetime

 

7. Tyson
8. Holyfield

It´s quite close between them. I think Tyson lasting that long with a style that isn´t made for lasting long edges it for me.

 

Holyfield should be ranked higher than both Tyson and Lennox Lewis. Tyson and Lewis are closer.

 

Holyfield by a canny lot, even when doing teh heavyweight achievements only. :thumbsup

I will compare them -

Holyfield = 5 time champ. 1990-1992, 1993-1994, 1996-1999, 2000-2001 And 2008 (got robbed VS Valuev).

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Holyfield best 5 wins =

1. Tyson 1996

2. Bowe 1993

3. Old Foreman 1991

4. Moorer 1997

5. Douglas 1990

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Tyson = 2 time champ. 1986-1990 And 1996.

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Tyson best 5 wins =

1. Spinks 1988

2. Old Holmes 1988

3. Tucker 1987

4. Ruddock 1991

5. Bruno 1996



Foreman Hooooooooooook!:hat

 

I think that you could argue it either way.

Their resumes have different strengths and weakneses, but they are both prety strong on depth.

 

I gave Tyson the nod because he at his best in 1985-1989 was more dominant than Evander at his best, which had tough fights and losses mixed in with his best years. Evander had the better career and more impressive career, but Mike was a more dominant and incredible heavyweight in his prime. I am talking top peaks.

 

You have to wonder with all that anti-Tyson trolling that ForemanHook does he still ranks him in the top 10 and ranks him as Holyfield's best win. I don't get it.

As for the thread?

Well frankly I rank Tyson ahead of Holyfield.

Holyfield to me has always been a guy I remember for being a great fighter more so than being a great champion. All of his best wins came in when he was challenging someone for a title that he previously owned or rather walking into the ring beltless and leaving with someone's else belt only to lose in a fight or 2 later. He was hot and cold but it was part of his charm. He fought his ass off and overachieved.

He has a pretty good resume of contenders under his belt and despite some claiming that the 2nd fight with Bowe was his best victory, I disagree. His best victory was clearly the 1st fight with Mike Tyson. It made him. If Evander Holyfield lost to Mike Tyson as was expected at the time, he wouldn't make anyone's top 10 list. Whereas Tyson losing to Evander still finds him on many top 10 lists.

Tyson to me is the epitome of a great heavyweight champion. He fought often, he challenged everyone and he won decisively and consistently with a style that wins everybody over from the purists to the casual boxing fans. His resume lacks the perfect signature win but it has quite a bit of depth. When you assess his overall resume you will find that objectively speaking Tyson has among the highest amount of ranked fighters on his win column.

Frankly I think Lewis has a greater case of ranking ahead of Tyson than Holyfield.

But for this thread, Tyson definitely.

 

It could be argued that the performance Douglas gave against Tyson was on par with Bowes showing in Holyfield 1

Regardless of that I would have Holyfield ahead of Tyson by a considerable margin - Evander won head to head twice when both past prime [Evander the older of the two] and Holyfield is miles ahead in the longevity stakes too.

 

Fanboyish?

 

I rate Tyson eighth and Holyfield ninth in my all time heavy list. I sepate them with a Rizla. Tyson just about takes it because he was more dominant,and I would just about tip him in a prime for prime scenario.

 

As Heavyweights:
Lewis > Holyfield > Tyson

As Entertainers:
Tyson > Holyfield > Lewis

Overall Career Acheivements:
Holyfield > Lewis > Tyson

 

Holyfield. I don't see it as a differing opinion, but consider it flat out wrong to say Tyson.

 

Holy for me.

Mainly based on my perception of the H2H quality of his opponents in his greatest victories.