Holyfield or Usyk? Who is greater?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Thesenuts, Mar 13, 2023.


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  1. Holyfield

  2. Usyk

  3. Holyfield for now, but Usyk will be greater if he defeats Fury

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  1. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Haha, I never talked to you in the first place, I just corrected your stupidity but I can see now that it won’t help, you will always be stupid no matter what.
     
    AlwaysFirst, Mar 16, 2023
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  2. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    Its hard to compare boxers from different ara but of course holyfield is a legend not even nearly comparable to usyk .
     
    mrbigshot, Mar 16, 2023
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  3. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Deontay Wilder, who is the cornerstone of Fury's legacy and therefore a big part of Usyk's claim to greatness if they manage to fight, was barely 200lbs for the vast majority of his career (including championship fights).

    Usyk was probably heavier than pre-Fury II Wilder on fight night. He was a relatively large CW like Holyfield. If you put their records up side by side you'll see they moved up through the amateur divisions (size wise) at similar ages.

    Usyk has not, to date, fought Fury or Klitschko. The Klitschko that AJ beat was well past it. AJ deserves credit there but I'm not sure you can apply the transitive property and say beating AJ means Usyk would beat Klitschko.

    Yeah exactly, when Holyfield was fighting cruiserweights he only fought cruiserweights but when Usyk fought cruiserweights they were basically heavyweights. Holyfield just fought a bunch of fat old bouncers, not elite athletes like Chisora and Witherspoon.
     
    sasto, Mar 16, 2023
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  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Perfectly stated.

    The baffling claim that heavyweights of the 1990s/2000s were all basically cruiserweights... Ooof Madone! That poster needs to share some of whatever it is he's been smoking.
     
    Rumsfeld, Mar 16, 2023
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  5. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    usyk doesnt really have the same level of fighters to beat. you could say fury is his bowe, wilder can fill in for tyson, aj takes care of douglas, or some similar combination, then what? but, since holyfield did take some losses, if usyk cleans em out and stays undefeated, i have no problem putting either one slightly ahead of the other.
     
    bandeedo, Mar 16, 2023
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  6. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    With rehydration and early weigh ins guys that weigh 220 even 225 can make cruiserweight. We see many examples in lighter divisions of guys doing just that. That would include Tyson, Mercer, Dokes, Moorer and others. Guys drying out before fights is not exactly a secret so I don't see the confusion.
     
    Cojimar 1946, Mar 16, 2023
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  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Holyfield is the poster boy for juicing and he was a walking PED factory. He's not even getting past VADA with that much juice and the whole concoction of juice he was on in his system.
     
    Serge, Mar 17, 2023
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  8. MAD_PIGE0N

    MAD_PIGE0N ... banned Full Member

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    Evander never really tested positive for PEDs and if we're going under assumptions, we can do so for most of the fighters.
     
    MAD_PIGE0N, Mar 17, 2023
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  9. Thesenuts

    Thesenuts Member banned Full Member

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    90's heavyweights actually cruiserweights?

    What a turn this thread took! :lol:
     
    Thesenuts, Mar 18, 2023
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  10. SergioJ91

    SergioJ91 Active Member Full Member

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    I'm an Usyk fan, but obviously Holyfield. He fought in a tougher era and was more accomplished in professional boxing by Usyk's age imo.
     
    SergioJ91, Mar 19, 2023
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