I know that watching any of this trilogy again is generally greeted with the same enthusiasm amongst boxing fans as a pickaxe to the nuts, but I thought I'd take a look again at this series and see what other people thought. For the rounds that I thought were fairly close, I've marked them with an asterisk. ==================================================== ===HOLY-RUIZ I=== 1 Ruiz 2 Ruiz* 3 Holyfield 4 Ruiz* 5 Ruiz 6 Holyfield* 7 Holyfield* 8 Holyfield 9 Holyfield 10 Holyfield 11 Ruiz 12 Holyfield 10-8 TOTAL 115-112 Holyfield Bad fight for Holyfield. The layoff since Lewis II, his age and Ruiz's awkward style really seemed to affect him, he was waiting for counterpunches too much rather than taking charge and let Ruiz dictate a lot of the action with a snappy jab. Ruiz's best round was the 1st, as he rushed out and landed several shots, but Holyfield had him badly wobbled in the 3rd from a straight right and almost finished it. From then on Ruiz was a lot more negative with his fighting, while Holy strugged because he was looking for the big shots rather than combinations. The commentators were also pretty awful, especially Czyz. He gave Ruiz 7 of the first 8 rounds which is just utterly myopic, maybe he still had some of that mysterious stuff in his eyes he was always bitching about? Round 9 was a highpoint for nonsense, as they began going on about "a burst of energy from Ruiz" as he was getting thumped, and "big finish from Ruiz" as Holy bounced a one-two off his body. They seemed to be watching something else entirely, which I think was a classic case of where an underdog does better than expected and so therefore the bias swings too far over into their corner where everything they do is highlighted. Particuarly bad were the frequent occasions when Holy and Ruiz would land good punches at the same time, and they'd only mention Ruiz's shot, usually when they were trading jabs. Plus calling it "highway robbery" etc at the end was sensationalism and along the lines of the whole "rooting for the underdog" thing I mentioned, because even at best it was a close win for Ruiz and he really didn't look all that great himself. Close decisions are never robberies. Ruiz outworked and outlanded Holyfield, but Holy's punches landed a lot harder and did visable damage. I also think there's a case to be made for a knockdown missed in the 12th, when Holyfield landed a left hook, and about a second later Ruiz stutter-stepped and took a knee, but it was called a slip. I've included that one in my scoring. ==================================================== ===HOLY-RUIZ II=== 1 Ruiz 2 Ruiz* 3 Holyfield 4 Holyfield* 5 Holyfield* 6 Ruiz* 7 Holyfield 8 Ruiz 9 Holyfield 10 Even 9-9 11 Ruiz 10-8 12 Ruiz TOTAL 114-112 Ruiz In turn, this was probably the best fight of the three for Holyfield (until it all went pear-shaped in the 11th). He got Ruiz on the back foot where he was much less effective, was throwing quick hard punches and forcing Ruiz to fight at close range where Holyfield had the advantage. Ruiz was very badly marked up here, with his left eye very swollen with a big mouse under it, his right eye bruised, a big cut on his forehead and his nose bleeding. After another even few rounds Holyfield was really beginning to turn it on and banging a tiring Ruiz about, until the 10th round where he landed a low blow. The angle sucked, it was hard to tell how high or low on the beltline it fell exactly so I can't say for certain...but Holy was docked a point and Ruiz definitely milked it, collapsing to the canvas and then taking a 3-minute breather which he needed every second of. He then belted Holy with a much worse retaliation low blow but got no penalty for it (and Holy didn't need a 3-minute pantomine to recover either). Still, it looked like Holy was closing the show when he got blasted with a great right hand from Ruiz in the 11th and wobbled backwards, taking another right hand as he fell down. He looked really shocked by it, and in the post-fight interview admitted he didn't even see it coming. He got back up but he was seriously out of it for the remaining two minutes of the round, first clutching onto Ruiz and refusing to let go and then staggering about the ring as Ruiz landed several shots off him. Holy tried firing back with one or two shots but they were slow and weak punches that didn't land. I didn't score it this way, but I can see why some gave Ruiz a 10-7 round here because Holy was on another planet while Ruiz bounced shots off his head and body. Holy got his senses together enough to try again in the 12th and put in a game effort, but when Ruiz began landing again he had no real answer and still seemed shaken up from the previous round. While I certainly question Ruiz's theatrics in Round 10, there really can be no argument that he rung Holyfield's bell, put him down in a close fight and was the only guy in the fight come the end. Those that have said Holy was only shaken for a little while after the knockdown are living in the same dream street as Holyfield occupied when he took it. ==================================================== ===HOLY-RUIZ III=== 1 Holyfield 2 Ruiz 3 Holyfield 4 Holyfield 5 Ruiz* 6 Holyfield* 7 Ruiz 8 Holyfield 9 Holyfield 10 Holyfield* 11 Ruiz 12 Holyfield TOTAL 116-112 Holyfield Average effort from Holyfield, poor one from Ruiz. Actually the best fight in terms of consistancy but that also means it didn't have the occasional peaks of the previous two fights, so it was the most boring until about round 8. Holyfield was still looking for the big single shots too much, and Ruiz was clutching too much. First 7 rounds were tight as a drum, and round 10 was both the best of the fight and the hardest to call. Holy caught Ruiz with big shots, but Ruiz also caught Holy with big shots. Gave Holyfield the benefit of the doubt here. He finished the fight stronger and broke Ruiz's nose with a great left hook in the 12th, sending Ruiz into full retreat as blood poured out of it. I also think there's a case to be made for a knockdown missed in Round 1...Ruiz was off balance and possibly falling when Holyfield caught him with a left hook, but then so was Tyson in Round 6 of their first fight and that counted, and I think it should've been the same here. I'm not as certain as with the 'knockdown' in Holy-Ruiz I though, so I've left it out of my scoring...but even without it though, I had it a Holyfield win. ====================================================
I scored the first one for Holyfield, 115-113. And the TV commentators were apalling. They seemed to be badly biased against Holyfield. Maybe this was ongoing backlash against the gift Holyfield received in the Lewis "draw" - so Holyfield has to win everything by a clear and wide margin to get any credit for a decision in his favour ? That's my interpretation. I felt that Ruiz won the 2nd, and Holyfield deserved the 3rd, as you say, but I haven't scored them. I have all three fights on DVD but find it hard to sit through them, they are so tedious.
I don't recall which fight it was but Holyfield mentionsit it in his excellent recent biography. He claims that Ruiz was on the canvas clutching his groin in agony. He was given time to recover from what appeared to be a low blow. Holyfield claims it was clearly indicated to be a legal body punch right on the belt line. So courtesy of Ruiz and his manager Norman Stone - Holyfield may very well have been cheated out of a knockout victory. Like I said, I'm exactly sure which fight this occurred in.
i think i had holyfield winning all 3 cant remember tho ive got the fights but cba watching them when theres better fights currently watchin jones telesco again i enjoyed that
That was a nice read Damond. I don't remember my exact scores, all i know is i scored two for the bald warrior and one for the first Latino beltholder.
Holyfield vs Ruiz was the worst trilogy of all time. I think Holy won the 1st match, and Ruiz won the 2nd. I had no interest in the 3rd match, and did not watch it. Don King had control of the heavyweight division back then. IMO, King soiled the division by manipulating the ratings, and by matching his guys vs each other repeatedly. Johnson, Ruiz, Rhaman, Holyfield, Oquendo, Byrd, TOS, and Golota vs each other.....boring fights in general. I cannot recall one knock out. There was some BS on the score cards in some of these matches too. Bad boxing.
Yeah, Don King backed some horrible heavyweights. Chris Byrd and John Ruiz are two of the worst "alphabet" heavyweight champs I've seen, and there have been some bad ones. They were awful. Byrd and Ruiz were excrutiatingly boring too, I cant believe how they kept getting "title" shots and the benefit end of close decisions. King must've been robbing them blind. To prevent himself losing to guys who really couldn't have carried his jock in his prime, Holyfield should have retired after the first Ruiz fight at the latest. That fight - and I agreed with the judges that Holyfield deserved a close win - proved he was irreparably gone.
Its frustrating really. Here is a guy ( Holyfield ) who in my mind is one of the greatest fighters of all time, yet he so badly over stayed his welcome in the sport, and is picking up losses to these horrible bums. Its an insult to the dignity of the game to see Evander " the real deal " Holyfield lose to guys like Sultan Ibragimov, Chris Byrd, John Ruiz,James Toney, and Larry Donald. For Christ's sake it would have been like seeing Muhammad Ali fighting well into the 1980's and losing to guys like James Tillis , Scott Ledoux, and Tex Cobb!!! Pardon my language but what the **** is he still doing fighting?!?!?!? Its unbelievable!!! For me, a prime Holyfield at heavyweight existed between 1989-1993, and his absolute peak was probably 1990. I would have picked a 90' Holyfield to win the Bowe trilogy and beat Lennox Lewis, plus never having lost to the likes of Moorer, Toney, Donald, Byrd, Ruiz, or Ibragimov.
Well, I remember back when Holyfield was coming up in '86 and '87 there were comparisons being made with Ezzard Charles. Now, over 20 years later, Charles is probably the best comparison still, but as an example of a great fighter carrying on too long and losing to so many mediocre fighters. Charles fought more often, so he was retired before he was 40, but he picked up a lot of bad losses in those last 4 or 5 years.
I don't know if you've been listening to the latest gossip, but apparently there's talk of a Holyfield-Tyson III. atsch
Yeah, I heard. I doubt it will happen though. If it does, I suppose that's a way to get another easy "W" on Holy's win sheet. Tyson would get destroyed though, no question, and that's why I think it wont happen. Tyson will go AWOL sometime before fight time. Perhaps he has ideas of convincing Holyfield to take it easy on him, in return for contributing his brand name to the payday, that's my guess. But we know Holyfield, pride and competitiveness wont allow him to do that. I pity Tyson's predicament. I mean, at least with Holyfield I sense a purpose and love for what he's doing. With Tyson it's sheer desperation.
I know Tyson is flat broke and still owes millions. Even if he were to fight Holyfield he'd get his ass kicked and then every penny of his earnings would go to the people he owes. To your knowledge, is Evander still in pretty good financial shape, despite having fathered 1/3 of the world population?
I assume Holyfield is SUPER RICH. I dont think supporting all those kids would cripple him financially. I mean, he cant be the first superstar to have a lot of "love child" support and/or "hush payments" to pay out. It never ruined Mick Jaggers, Led Zep, Aerosmith et al. Holyfield is a bona fide rich black Atlanta muti-millionaire. He's like royalty. He's been on a burning mission to fight since he was eight years old though, and he's conditioned to do that, he'd probably go mad and depressed if he quit. Guys like him need to know how to adjust to life without boxing, otherewise maybe fighting is the best thing for him.
Many years ago, I saw a picture of his house in sports illustrated magazine. This content is protected Place has 17 bathrooms, and that swimming pool is as big or bigger than anything you'd see at a tourist water park.