Holyfield - Toney

zadfrak · Sep 15, 2023

Mike_b said: ↑

James was a selfish person didn't like team sports, he liked being the only man deciding his fate/ outcome . On October 4 the war with Holyfield, James came in at a relatively low weight with his little fists and packing a middleweight punch. His dream as a kid was to become hw champ of the world. He said what he was going to do. Stand up in the middle of the ring and trade blows with Evander. Toney was a headache, for trainers, managers, when it came to making weight. This time he was allowed to eat and eat bundles and still show up on weight. He was convincingly the cruiserweight king and Holyfield was shopwarn and supposedly had a hurt left shoulder. He said after the fight in his book that James made him miss so much that he was embarrassed for himself. With a couple of uncalled for headbutt warnings from the Karen, jay nady, it was a great fight. James said what he was gonna do and destroyed Evander. He was as Sully as Sonny Liston in the afterfight interviews with Jim gray, telling him he didn't like him as he slammed down the microphone. Evander to his credit, said he just had "a bad night". So there you go, an over achieving atg versus the off night Evander Holyfield, war on October 4.
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Yep. He was very close to taking Evander apart in there. And Don Turner sure saw it between rounds. And Evander being Evander, fired him after the fight. That is another tell tale sign with recent fighters as well; lose a fight and change trainers. Not the promoters or managers though, just trainers.

techks · Sep 18, 2023

AwardedSteak863 said: ↑

Agreed. I just think back to when Toney and Holyfield were young fighter's that were clean. Steroids hurt both more than they helped them. Holyfield in particular was way better as a 200 pound guy than he was when he was all muscular and 20 pounds plus heavier. He was an amazing combination puncher before he got all buffed.
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Honestly not sure if they ever were 100% clean but they definitely had more hunger n better reflexes back then for sure.

Bokaj · Sep 18, 2023

zadfrak said: ↑

The irony is before the fight most were picking commander Vander in an easy fight. Same as the DLH-Pacquiao fight. After the fight, it turns into lots of excuses why the heavy favorite lost--but none of that insight was present before the bell rang.

There were a few that thought the defense and chin of James would keep him in there. That's all. But they weren't going out on a limb predicting his counter punching and lead right hands would dominate the fight.
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Good point. Anyone know the odds before the fight?

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