Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, Vitali, Wilder, Wlad competition analysis

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  1. jas

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    why not just their first 31 fights even though they had more than 1 loss?
     
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  2. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thats alot of boxers increases by 3x!

    The more losses, the wider the pool allowing more losing efforts vs high record, which is a bit off
     
    eltirado, Mar 13, 2014
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  3. eltirado

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    Larry Holmes 405-162-19, 2.5-1 ratio
     
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  4. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Listed from best competition to worse by ratio of competition in the first 31 fights

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    31-0-0 (KO 28 ) vs 428-150-18, 2.9-1 ratio - Bowe
    30-1-0 (KO 29 ) vs 597-212-19, 2.8-1 ratio - Vitali
    30-1-0 (KO 20 ) vs 556-209-22, 2.7-1 ratio - Dimitrenko
    31-0-0 (KO 27 ) vs 466-181-08, 2.6-1 ratio - Mesi
    31-0-0 (KO 22 ) vs 405-162-19, 2.5-1 ratio - Holmes
    31-0-0 (KO 20 ) vs 665-268-16, 2.5-1 ratio - Nielsen
    31-0-0 (KO 31 ) vs 428-196-19, 2.2-1 ratio - Wilder
    30-1-0 (KO 27 ) vs 592-295-25, 2.0-1 ratio - Wlad
    30-1-0 (KO 25 ) vs 367-187-16, 2.0-1 ratio - Tua
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    eltirado, Mar 13, 2014
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  5. eze

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    I'm not even gonna read it.

    They fought in different eras. Just because some guys fought "worse record guys" doesn't mean those guys were worse or better than the guys the other fighters fought.
     
    eze, Mar 13, 2014
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  6. eltirado

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    Almost the Greatest :yep 1063-212-41, 5-1 ratio :boxer
     
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  7. eltirado

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    Listed from best competition to worse by ratio of competition in the first 31 fights

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    31-0-0 (KO 28 ) vs 428-150-18, 2.9-1 ratio - Bowe
    30-1-0 (KO 29 ) vs 597-212-19, 2.8-1 ratio - Vitali
    30-1-0 (KO 20 ) vs 556-209-22, 2.7-1 ratio - Dimitrenko
    31-0-0 (KO 27 ) vs 466-181-08, 2.6-1 ratio - Mesi
    31-0-0 (KO 22 ) vs 405-162-19, 2.5-1 ratio - Holmes
    31-0-0 (KO 20 ) vs 665-268-16, 2.5-1 ratio - Nielsen
    31-0-0 (KO 31 ) vs 428-196-19, 2.2-1 ratio - Wilder
    30-1-0 (KO 27 ) vs 592-295-25, 2.0-1 ratio - Wlad
    30-1-0 (KO 25 ) vs 367-187-16, 2.0-1 ratio - Tua
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    eltirado, Mar 13, 2014
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  8. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    According to the cold data:

    Ali happens to have GOAT competition for 31-0
    Holyfield clearly has GOAT competition for 30-1

    All credit to the Wilder Chronic haters for allowing us to see this :yep
     
    eltirado, Mar 13, 2014
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  9. eltirado

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    31-0-0 (KO 28 ) vs 428-150-18, 2.9-1 ratio - Bowe
    30-1-0 (KO 29 ) vs 597-212-19, 2.8-1 ratio - Vitali
    30-1-0 (KO 20 ) vs 556-209-22, 2.7-1 ratio - Dimitrenko
    31-0-0 (KO 27 ) vs 466-181-08, 2.6-1 ratio - Mesi
    31-0-0 (KO 22 ) vs 405-162-19, 2.5-1 ratio - Holmes
    31-0-0 (KO 20 ) vs 665-268-16, 2.5-1 ratio - Nielsen
    31-0-0 (KO 31 ) vs 428-196-19, 2.2-1 ratio - Wilder
    30-1-0 (KO 27 ) vs 592-295-25, 2.0-1 ratio - Wlad
    30-1-0 (KO 25 ) vs 367-187-16, 2.0-1 ratio - Tua
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    eltirado, Mar 13, 2014
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  10. eltirado

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    Mildenberg 30-1 vs 684-405-75
     
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  11. eltirado

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    31-0-0 (KO 28 ) vs 428-150-18, 2.9-1 ratio, Bowe
    30-1-0 (KO 29 ) vs 597-212-19, 2.8-1 ratio, Vitali
    30-1-0 (KO 20 ) vs 556-209-22, 2.7-1 ratio, Dimitrenko
    31-0-0 (KO 27 ) vs 466-181-08, 2.6-1 ratio, Mesi
    31-0-0 (KO 22 ) vs 405-162-19, 2.5-1 ratio, Holmes
    31-0-0 (KO 20 ) vs 665-268-16, 2.5-1 ratio, Nielsen
    31-0-0 (KO 31 ) vs 428-196-19, 2.2-1 ratio, Wilder
    30-1-0 (KO 27 ) vs 592-295-25, 2.0-1 ratio, Wlad
    30-1-0 (KO 25 ) vs 367-187-16, 2.0-1 ratio, Tua
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    eltirado, Mar 13, 2014
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  12. eze

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    Your logic - beating a bunch of 15-0s means you're great.
     
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  13. eltirado

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    These are records of competition not "my logic"

    The list coincidentally puts Ali, Holy, Spinks & Frazier on top & Clark, Steele on the bottom, keep whining :deal
     
    eltirado, Mar 13, 2014
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  14. eltirado

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    31-0-0 (KO 28 ) vs 428-150-18, 2.9-1 ratio, Bowe
    30-1-0 (KO 29 ) vs 597-212-19, 2.8-1 ratio, Vitali
    30-1-0 (KO 20 ) vs 556-209-22, 2.7-1 ratio, Dimitrenko
    31-0-0 (KO 27 ) vs 466-181-08, 2.6-1 ratio, Mesi
    31-0-0 (KO 22 ) vs 405-162-19, 2.5-1 ratio, Holmes
    31-0-0 (KO 20 ) vs 665-268-16, 2.5-1 ratio, Nielsen
    31-0-0 (KO 31 ) vs 428-196-19, 2.2-1 ratio, Wilder
    30-1-0 (KO 27 ) vs 592-295-25, 2.0-1 ratio, Wlad
    30-1-0 (KO 25 ) vs 367-187-16, 2.0-1 ratio, Tua
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    eltirado, Mar 14, 2014
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  15. eltirado

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    Floyd Patterson 3.5-1 :bbb
     
    eltirado, Mar 14, 2014
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