Holyfield vs Jim Jefferies

Having competed on everything from dirt to Mondo and beyond, I will tell you there is a difference. But it's not 1 second. Not even half that.

 

Holyfield puts his hands all over Jeff. He has no chance. Completely inept as far as fighting against modern heavies.

Anyone that views footage of both guys and comes to any other conclusion is following the wrong sport. Go watch some tennis or something.

 

What rule set?
How many rounds?
Is Holy on PED's ?

 

Holyfield probably wins quite easily. Might end up being a massacre.

 

According to this one rep max calculator 360 pounds ten times is equal to a 480 pound 1 rep max
https://strengthlevel.com/one-rep-max-calculator

 

If you have world class athletic training and strength coaches who's full time job it is to figure out ways to make you bigger and stronger, you absolutely can go from a 190 pound max to a 450 pound max, especially considering that Holyfield was a muscular 205-218 lbs at heavyweight. Although it's rare, I've seen guys bench press 500 pounds and they didn't have any of the resources that Holyfield would have had at his disposal.

 

QUOTE="The Undefeated Lachbuster, post: 19658870, member: 119274"]Nikolai valuev has a granite chin, not fair


Would a punch from Choynski knock out Tommy Morrison?

Would a punch from Choynski knock out Marvin Hagler?


Tom Sharkey was not washed up. Tom Sharkey was a great contender with an iron chin and good aggression tactics

The men you mentioned weren't novices (except for Buskirk). Fights were not tracked well back then, many fights went under radar.

I mentioned them because they make the weight standard you had, whether they're of top contention (Ruhlin was) doesn't matter.


Please tell me how weight effects your brain's ability to continue to function after trauma[/QUOTE]
Jimmy Ellis was knocked down by Ruben Carter ,yet when he added weight he took the shots of Patterson,Martin, Quarry,etc without going down. Body mass affects how you absorb punches. Golovkin is a great middleweight puncher ,do you think he can knockout 240lbs heavyweights? You are talking rubbish!
Sharkey was totally GONE! He had won just one of his last six fights and been stopped in 3 of them! He hadn't fought for 2 years, nor won a fight for 3 years!



After the Munroe fight he retired!

 

Jimmy Ellis was knocked down by Ruben Carter ,yet when he added weight he took the shots of Patterson,Martin, Quarry,etc without going down. Body mass affects how you absorb punches. Golovkin is a great middleweight puncher ,do you think he can knockout 240lbs heavyweights? You are talking rubbish!
Sharkey was totally GONE! He had won just one of his last six fights and been stopped in 3 of them! He hadn't fought for 2 years, nor won a fight for 3 years!



After the Munroe fight he retired![/QUOTE]

What the heck are you talking about. Sharkey was in excellent shape for Jeffries in 1899.

As for Holyfield he was stopped by a blown up middle weight.

Lachbuster cleaned the floor with your rubbish.

 

I love Evander but to be fair a roided Jeffries might be a monster.

 

What the heck are you talking about. Sharkey was in excellent shape for Jeffries in 1899.

As for Holyfield he was stopped by a blown up middle weight.

Lachbuster cleaned the floor with your rubbish.[/QUOTE]
You absolutely stupid ****! We are talking about Sharkey against Munroe you ****ing moron! Whiowd????

 

I think you will find they are being matched as they actually were .

 

You absolutely stupid ****! We are talking about Sharkey against Munroe you ****ing moron! Whiowd????[/QUOTE]

I didn’t read the full context. My mistake as your stupidity is called our so often, I assumed.

Your retort that Holyfield was stopped by a blown up middleweight without a lot of power is what?

 

Let's say we have this big skinny dude, frail, thin arms, never done any sports - and we measure his one rep max in the bench press to be 190 pounds. Could we increase his max to 450, over the course of just one year?

We get him the best strength/bodybuilding experts, whose only job is to increase his max as much as possible. 12 months later he will be considerably stronger (and heavier)… but there is NO WAY he will be able to press 450 pounds!

The only scenario where this MIGHT be possible, is if you have a former world class bodybuilder/power lifter who once was able to bench press 450 - but then went through a long illness, lying for months and months in a hospital bed, without being able to do any physical exercise at all. All of a sudden he's alright, and able to train again - but he has now lost all the muscle mass, that had taken him years of hard training to add to his frame, and his bench press max is now down to a measly 190 pounds.

Anyone who's into bodybuilding will know, that if you have neglected your training for a long period of time, and as a consequence lost a lot of muscle mass… once you start training again, you will pack the muscle back on again surprisingly fast. So fast in fact, that you wonder, how it's possible. It seems, that you barely need to touch the weights, before you start filling out again! It's like there's some kind of "muscle-memory" that tells your body, where you have once been - and instructs the muscles to grow to that level again. Even under those conditions, going from 190 to 450 in a year, may be too optimistic, and I doubt that it can be done... but I wouldn't COMPLETELY rule out that it could!

While it's easy to put lost muscle mass back on - it's a whole different story to go beyond where you have been before. Adding "new" muscle, is MUCH harder than regaining "old" muscle, and is a very slow process. In the case of Holyfield, we have a top athlete who was already very strong, when starting this strength programme - and for him to have improved from 190 to 450 in a year is highly unlikely, if not impossible.


By the way, for Holyfield's pre-programme max to have been only 190 sounds very strange! For a 200 pounder as strong as him, I would guess that his one rep max must have been at least 240-250 pounds.

 

Foolish one. We have already been over the fact that Jeffries floored his opponent at least once in every fight he had, expect for his 1910 comeback fight, old and six years removed from the ring.