Holyfield vs Louis.

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  1. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Would The Real Deal have what it takes to lick a prime Brown Bomber or would he be joining The Bum Of The Month Club??
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    My guess is neither. I can see two or three outstanding fights between these two with both men coming away with a win. Joe Louis's elite inside combination punching ability and huge heart vs Holyfield's boxer-puncher style, solid chin, conditioning and heart that equalled Louis's. These guys would be at each other all night on the inside. Joe might accidentally get head butted a few times. Both guys could kiss the canvas. Probably one of the better heavyweight fantasy fights we can think of from an action and chemistry standpoint.
     
  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a fight where I can't think of a clear cut winner, Holyfield's superior punch resistance could be the telling factor.
     
  4. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holyfield would join the bum of the month club.
     
  5. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    But does anyone think Holyfield has a chance if he *never* used any PEDs? I do not.
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Why though?

    Holyfield's lesser power, offsets his advantage in durability.

    Sure Holyfield can stop anybody, but he is going to need to outbox Louis, and is this going to happen?
     
  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I don't see a major size difference between Louis and Holyfield. Naturally, they're about the same size. Holyfield is a manufactured heavyweight who benefitted from today's better nutrition. If he and Louis were of the same era, there would likely be fewer than 10 lbs. difference between them.

    I don't see anyone knocking out prime Holyfield. He's been stopped but he has always taken a good punch and was never stopped during his prime.

    The thing I meant about "manufactured" heavyweight is that, for all his might and body beautiful, Holyfield has never been an A-class Stamina fighter. He slows down drastically as the rounds mount. He's not as bad as Tyson, in that regard, but he does have his out-put problems in the later rounds.

    Louis is certainly no guarenteed victor. If you compare Evander to all of Louis' opponents, you'd be hard pressed to fine one who would beat him. Holyfield certainly faced better competition. Also, he could move, which is something that has always given Louis fits. Holyfield is also a busier fighter than Louis and he has a slightly better chin.

    Holyfield matches Louis in one other category, and that's accuracy. He sets his punches up well and delivers only when necessary, just like Louis.

    The one thing that tips it in Louis' favor is that he has greater power. That much is clear. It's true that Holyfield was punching bigger guys but it's also true that he never knocked anyone dead, in the sense that Louis did.

    It's not likey that Louis could stop Holyfield but, when you fight someone with Louis' blend of power and accuracy, it's hard to do what you do best. That is among Louis' greatest abilities. He can stop you from being you.

    I could see Holyfield taking a points win. More likely, Louis would make a difference in a few decisive rounds, shaking Holyfield but never putting him away.

    Louis W15 UD
     
  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd say Holyfield definitely had the power to hurt and possibly put away Louis.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Louis wins a clear decision. One of the few guys around Holyfield's size that has a better jab.

    Obviously a perfect punch or a cut could change this.
     
  10. janitor

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    He could do it, if he can do a Schmeling on him.

    If it turns into a fairly even exchange, then he is going to loose.
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Put them in the same era, and Louis is bigger, if not by much.
     
  12. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holyfield at some point will turn the fight into an all out brawl, that's how he usually worked during his prime, Dokes, Bowe, Cooper, etc, and Holyfields superior punch resistence will be the deciding factor...

    Not exactly an ideal fight to bet the Mortgage on, but It's Holy for me, by close decision, Joe hits the floor at least once...
     
  13. mr. magoo

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    If it were possible to make this fight via time travel when both were prime, it would probably be one of the most sought after fights ever, and certainly one of the most exciting.
     
  14. Bummy Davis

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    I like Louis great counter ability and body head variables. I see an action fight but a Louis stoppage
     
  15. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep.

    Evander can take shots to the head. What he doesn't handle is bodyshots. And Blackburn isn't going to miss something like that. Body work pays dividends and Joe comes up over the top after those hands drop with a punch Evander doesn't see coming. And the ref stops the bout around the 10th.